[Don_T]

Hopefully I did this right, but the intent is that this will help current and future members when thinking about lifting the KL. I plan to keep this as a live document and update as more information is available. If you see any discrepancies please let me know and I will make adjustments necessary. I am sure there are some this this one.

I also plan to add maximum tire sizes on each platform so I may need some help with that.

Do you guys think this will benefit this site or is it a lost cause?

Your chart shows 245/70-17 tires fit a stock Trailhawk. Does that mean there is no rubbing in off-road full travel, front wheels turned to any angle, there is no rubbing? Are these a good fit for using off-road with no issues or will they require a lift for this? I want to use load range E Duratrac tires, but not if they are going to damage the Trailhawk.

 

[Don_T]

Well you know the saying a picture is worth a thousand words? Look here on page 91-post 901:
http://jeepcherokeeclub.com/41-whee...om/41-wheels-tires-brakes-suspension/172217-lifted-th-valpacer-aussie-lift.html
The cherry jeep on the left is mine. After I followed the instructions on the lift and having people on here help me out, You can see that the stock, brand new jeep in the dealers parking lot is the exact same height as mine. I didn't get any lift.... I'm glad there a few people out there that are working on them. Not that I trust RRO with anything even they said it could be done for a few thousand. Go price how much it is to put a long arm kit on a rubicon. I don't care about the few thousands. I want someone that knows what they're doing to show a product that's been tested and passed some quality control check. I believe someone telling you to put spacers above and below your shocks is the same as telling someone to put water in their tires to give them more weight/traction in the snow or screwing screws in your tires for better grip on ice...

Do you have any pictures of your suspension before and after, at least after? If I read them right, in one post you noted adding spacer to your springs, but in another you mentioned adding spacers to your shocks. Did you add spacer to both springs and shocks, or just one or the other? Pictures would help to clear things up.

 

[BLKBEARDRED6]

Your chart shows 245/70-17 tires fit a stock Trailhawk. Does that mean there is no rubbing in off-road full travel, front wheels turned to any angle, there is no rubbing? Are these a good fit for using off-road with no issues or will they require a lift for this? I want to use load range E Duratrac tires, but not if they are going to damage the Trailhawk.

Honestly I have no clue. I know many members are running 245/70-17 ion their THs and hit the trails quite frequently. I myself do not have a TH so I cannot speak on my own experience.

 

[Len1304]

Your chart shows 245/70-17 tires fit a stock Trailhawk. Does that mean there is no rubbing in off-road full travel, front wheels turned to any angle, there is no rubbing? Are these a good fit for using off-road with no issues or will they require a lift for this? I want to use load range E Duratrac tires, but not if they are going to damage the Trailhawk.

I have 245/70r17 duratracs but the 4ply not the 10ply. Why go with such a heavy tire for such a lite vehicle? Yes they fit with very very minor rubbing. Although I'm told the 10ply tires are slightly larger but have the same posted dimensions. The 10ply are very stiff tires and I was told by my local tire shop they wouldn't likely wear properly because the Cherokee isn't heavy enough.


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[Volant165]

Hi Len what is the tire marking on Duratracs denoting the different ply ? I only know speed ratings

 

[David_Baker]

They are a LT version or Light Truck. They are also approx 12mm tread as opposed to about 9 or 10mm tread for the D rated passenger version. I ran the E LT version with no lift and very very minor rubbing at the back edge of the front wheel well, both with and without the lift. Yes they are stiffer and a little firmer ride but the suspension foes a good job making up for it.

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[Volant165]

Ah found it. Load rating. Ply threw me off.

 

[Palms]

They are a LT version or Light Truck. They are also approx 12mm tread as opposed to about 9 or 10mm tread for the D rated passenger version. I ran the E LT version with no lift and very very minor rubbing at the back edge of the front wheel well, both with and without the lift. Yes they are stiffer and a little firmer ride but the suspension foes a good job making up for it.

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Man I really like the look of your bar and antenna. Can you please give the details? Thanks!!


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[shayne10]

Lift Kit & Tire Size Chart

For the list

245/65 = 29.5 - stock
255/65 = 30.1
245/70 = 30.5
265/65 = 30.6
255/70 = 31.1 - no spacers or grinding needed (very light brushing at full lock)
245/75 = 31.5
265/70 = 31.6
255/75 = 32.1

So for a lifted sport I could fit 265/70r17?



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[David_Baker]

Man I really like the look of your bar and antenna. Can you please give the details? Thanks!!


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PM sent with a link and an explanation!

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[airishfan]

I like your tires and I can see you have a 15 TH is it worth the money getting them even that stock tires are still good

 

[Alfrik]

TIL I will eventually be giving RRO more money. A new lift kit from them with increased travel and lift? Now I wonder if I can add HazzardSky's to the lift as well.

 

[Don_T]

I have 245/70r17 duratracs but the 4ply not the 10ply. Why go with such a heavy tire for such a lite vehicle? Yes they fit with very very minor rubbing. Although I'm told the 10ply tires are slightly larger but have the same posted dimensions. The 10ply are very stiff tires and I was told by my local tire shop they wouldn't likely wear properly because the Cherokee isn't heavy enough.


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I have been running heavy tires on jeeps for years because I have had sidewalls torn out on lighter tires. I was stranded in a remote area of northern Utah because I damaged a second tire before I was able to get the first one replaced. I have not had the problem since I started using the heavier tires. I am undecided on the tires for this jeep as it will be primarily my wife's. I doubt we will get into much more than dirt roads that are not well maintained. Decisions, decisions. I have never had any issues with tires wearing improperly on a light vehicle, they just need proper inflation. Acceleration and mileage certainly do suffer though, which is why I am undecided.

 

[FlyinRob901]

Lift Kit & Tire Size Chart

Thanks @David_Baker for your unnecessary smart *** reply. I posted my experience and you guys seem to find due diligence to give me guilt and blasphemy for trying something new. Way to go. Reminds me why I left this forum in the first place.

Hmm.. I see your problem. Putting spacer above and below the shocks will both lessen the up travel and not improve the height. Though as it would increase down travel you would actually end up with the same total travel just no lift.



Don't take this personally, but if you don't understand how a spring spacer lift works and you 'installed' one that gave you no lift, then yes, you had better wait until an official kit is released and then pay someone to fit it.



Oh wait, 2 kits have already been released and both based on the Aussie spacer lift. Oh and hundreds and hundreds of happy KL owners have fitted them or had them fitted for them.



Mine with the 1 in larger diameter tyres now sits just shy of 2 in above stock.



Oh and post 917 of that same thread is mine before and after the lift.



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[Len1304]

Thanks @David_Baker for your unnecessary smart *** reply. I posted my experience and you guys seem to find due diligence to give me guilt and blasphemy for trying something new. Way to go. Reminds me why I left this forum in the first place.

And we told you that it's unlikely that you didn't see a change in ride height and that whatever company you went through is wrong. As people say, pictures or it didn't happen.


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[David_Baker]

Lift Kit & Tire Size Chart

Nothing smart *** about my reply, it is purely factual. You yourself stated you put spacers above and below the shocks.

Like I said the first time and I will say it again; if you gained no lift from it you did it wrong. Maybe the company you took it to was right and what you did will not give any lift.

If you would like to post some pics of what you did there will be many on here willing to assist, including me.

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[Xinarin13]

I want someone that knows what they're doing to show a product that's been tested and passed some quality control check. I believe someone telling you to put spacers above and below your shocks is the same as telling someone to put water in their tires to give them more weight/traction in the snow or screwing screws in your tires for better grip on ice...

Thanks @David_Baker for your unnecessary smart *** reply. I posted my experience and you guys seem to find due diligence to give me guilt and blasphemy for trying something new. Way to go. Reminds me why I left this forum in the first place.

Look at how your words came across before you complain about how someone else's words come across...

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[Don_T]

Nothing smart *** about my reply, it is purely factual. You yourself stated you put spacers above and below the shocks.

This is why I asked for pictures too. spacer above and below the shocks would do nothing for raising the vehicle. If you would post pictures this issue would likely go away.

 

[Xinarin13]

This is why I asked for pictures too. spacer above and below the shocks would do nothing for raising the vehicle. If you would post pictures this issue would likely go away.

Have got to be honest, I have no clue what you're talking about. I fail to see how adding a spacer above and below could do anything but lift the vehicle. It is essentially the same lift wise as putting in a larger spring. The only drawback is obviously the spacers aren't compressible, so you won't gain anything in articulation like you would with a larger spring. Saying that adding spacers wouldn't make it any taller is kind of like saying adding 2 extra burger patties to a burger wouldn't make it thicker.

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[Don_T]

Have got to be honest, I have no clue what you're talking about. I fail to see how adding a spacer above and below could do anything but lift the vehicle. It is essentially the same lift wise as putting in a larger spring. The only drawback is obviously the spacers aren't compressible, so you won't gain anything in articulation like you would with a larger spring. Saying that adding spacers wouldn't make it any taller is kind of like saying adding 2 extra burger patties to a burger wouldn't make it thicker.

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Your argument is correct if you add the spacers to the springs. I was commenting on the poster who claimed to have added spacers to the shocks, which will not lift anything.. As I said earlier, pictures would be a big help in figuring out why someone got no lift when adding spacers.