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Is there a reason one would need to use something like what Gary used? A “ground strap” as opposed to like high temp heat shrink protected, 0/1 gauge oxygen free copper cable (not copper cladded aluminum) using tin plated copper lug nuts 1/4” and 5/16” hole sizes for the designated ground positions.

If this would be ok to use, would it be sufficient to replace the factory cabling or would it be more ideal to “stack” it alongside the factory grounding cables?

If it doesn’t fit due to 0/1 gauge wire is too thick, would using 4 gauge wire and stacking it alongside the factory ground cables be more ideal than 0/1 gauge (by itself, not using the factory ground cabling)?
 
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Is there a reason one would need to use something like what Gary used? A “ground strap” as opposed to like high temp heat shrink protected, 0/1 gauge oxygen free copper cable (not copper cladded aluminum) using tin plated copper lug nuts 1/4” and 5/16” hole sizes for the designated ground positions.

If this would be ok to use, would it be sufficient to replace the factory cabling or would it be more ideal to “stack” it alongside the factory grounding cables?

If it doesn’t fit due to 0/1 gauge wire is too thick, would using 4 gauge wire and stacking it alongside the factory ground cables be more ideal than 0/1 gauge (by itself, not using the factory ground cabling)?
Hey @yodog ,

I'm sure all of that would work but it's probably more work than needed. For example, the ground strap in my posting took two seconds to find on amazon for $17. I've never tried to find oxygen-free copper cable (non copper cladded aluminum) with tin plated copper lugs but it sounds pretty specific. Also, you don't really need high temp heat shrink protection since the ground isn't near the engine or other heat source. In the end, anything metal will probably work. One could probably take an old kitchen knife, drill a couple holes in the ends and it would work! LoL! (y)
 
Hey @yodog ,

I'm sure all of that would work but it's probably more work than needed. For example, the ground strap in my posting took two seconds to find on amazon for $17. I've never tried to find oxygen-free copper cable (non copper cladded aluminum) with tin plated copper lugs but it sounds pretty specific. Also, you don't really need high temp heat shrink protection since the ground isn't near the engine or other heat source. In the end, anything metal will probably work. One could probably take an old kitchen knife, drill a couple holes in the ends and it would work! (y)
k ask because I got a crapload of “install gear(brand)” oxygen free copper cable and an excess of tin plated copper “selterm(brand)” lug nuts.

Do you happen to know the gauge of the factory ground cable/strap?
 
k ask because I got a crapload of “install gear(brand)” oxygen free copper cable and an excess of tin plated copper “selterm(brand)” lug nuts.

Do you happen to know the gauge of the factory ground cable/strap?
Summit Racing has 'B12G' ground straps for $16.69, and the description says 4-Gauge :
(Gary pointed out that this B12G strap is possibly one size bigger than the factory strap)
 
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Thanks for the link, how many ground straps are there? 2?
For the one in the photo (connecting to the transmission casing), just this one.

It total there are about 20 grounding points scattered throughout the engine and body compartments. Some, such as the one from the battery/IBS (if equipped) to the frame and transmission as well as the one from the starter relays and PCM are critical ones. Others, impact various other systems, both engine/powertrain as well as convenience/options.

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FWIW, in my 50+ years of driving on salted New England roads I have never had a reason to replace a ground cable or strap.
Central NY here. Had plenty of vehicles with bad ground. One an 02 Grand Cherokee from FL. Ground on the coil pack going to a high fender. I had the radiator in my KL 16 go bad, long time mechanic thinks it is because the bottom is so well sealed and the brine the NYS DOT puts on the road dries and gets a fine powder of salt that gets damp but not washed away causes problems. Many of the old time vehicle straps were bolted to the upper part of the bell housing. Of course not many pre 90’s vehicles around here lasted 145K and 8 years old with absolutely NO rust. Was all over the underside just last week. The only thing that could be considered rust was the flexible joint on the exhaust.
 
Just did mine this morning. I probably should have pulled the ground off the battery first. Jeep was real confused after, with the radio not turning on, 4wd unavailable error, and the odometer blinking. Pull the battery ground off for a minute, reattached and all was well again. I pulled the wheel off and only undid a few of the fender liner plastic rivets so I could pull it back enough to get access.

You can see the old strap if you look up from underneath. Mine was getting pretty green, but not horrible.
 
such a minor item why not buy the OEM part from MOPAR? how much could it possibly cost?
Because the replacement is beefier, and this avoids having to remove much more of the harness by only cutting off and replacing the problematic portion.

Edit - To answer your question, the oem cable is $126.
 
Because the replacement is beefier, and this avoids having to remove much more of the harness by only cutting off and replacing the problematic portion.

Edit - To answer your question, the oem cable is $126.
I'll take $12 over $126 everytime...🤔😎
 
I wonder if this is the problem with my '15 Trailhawk 3.2. Couple days ago, engine light, as well as all the other lights for the fancy tech stuff came on. Getting two generic camshaft codes and trans control module codes thrown at the same time. Assuming electrical, started with new battery (it was time for a new one) and checked alternator. Still have the same problem. Took to local repair shop and they are also stumped (these guys have bailed me out so many times so surprised they are stumped). They are going to take another day to look into it. Maybe I'll mention this to them. i live in Midwest and have 109k miles so I'm sure my ground belt is in rough shape.
 
I wonder if this is the problem with my '15 Trailhawk 3.2. Couple days ago, engine light, as well as all the other lights for the fancy tech stuff came on. Getting two generic camshaft codes and trans control module codes thrown at the same time. Assuming electrical, started with new battery (it was time for a new one) and checked alternator. Still have the same problem. Took to local repair shop and they are also stumped (these guys have bailed me out so many times so surprised they are stumped). They are going to take another day to look into it. Maybe I'll mention this to them. i live in Midwest and have 109k miles so I'm sure my ground belt is in rough shape.
It's very possible. It's fairly simple to change them, and all for less than about $20...😉😎
 
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