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Hey @Fj4080. I'm not sure it's a good look for you to be 'liking' the posts of the people reporting that they are affected by this recall. Kick people when they are down much you heartless b-stard?

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Hey @Fj4080. I'm not sure it's a good look for you to be 'liking' the posts of the people reporting that they are affected by this recall. Kick people when they are down much you heartless b-stard?

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I see your point🤓. I was looking at as a thumbs up for everyone chiming in if they were on the list.
 
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I wish we could all show up together, at the same dealer, at the same time, just to eff with their heads...With this woman...LOL!!!😁😉😎

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just got a new PTU on 2017 TH a week ago!!

then this showed up in a CarFax email....
Once you get your official recall notice in the mail, I would reach out to Jeep to get a reimbursement for the PTU you got installed. Most car companies work that way, but I'm not guaranteeing anything. I guess it all depends on the type of fix they come up with for the recalls.
 
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It’s good you beat the crowd. Somebody posted that reimbursement is part of the recall.
They don’t even have a fix determined yet, so if it’s programming patch only for safety , then they may have to add the effected ones to an extended warranty for the specific failures if they happen. Not sure how anyone has determined a reimbursement yet if they don’t even have a plan like usual to FIX ( and I say that because their idea of a fix hasn’t been a fix yet for this ongoing fiasco) anything .
 
Not sure how anyone has determined a reimbursement yet...
He may of read my post and got that idea, but I pointed out that nothing was guaranteed and it depends upon what the actual 'fix' will be. I just hope that it will be a real mechanical fix, as opposed to a software fix which won't fix the real issue anyway.
 
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I don't think this one can be handled with a software fix. Here is the letter from FCA to NHTSA:


And here is the recall notice:


Some important statements:

The suspect period began on October 11, 2016, when PTUs with improperly seated snap rings started to be used in vehicle production, through February 20, 2019, when PTUs with properly seated snap rings started to be used in vehicle production

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Uncontrolled movement leads to the potential for wear to the range shift sleeve, spline damage, and / or range fork damage which can cause an unexpected loss of motive power or loss of PARK function while stationary. Customers may notice a Service 4WD message, noise, vibration or change in drive quality.

A software fix, like the previous PTU recall, just addressed the issue about what happens when the spline shears. It makes it "safe", not "better".

This is an improper snap ring that is causing wear to the point of breakage. So I would expect FCA to deal with the wear issue as well, as worn components are probably subject to eventual failure too.

This is all speculation, of course. I suppose the good news is FCA understands the failure issue. Now they are scrambling to figure out an affordable fix.
 
I don't think this one can be handled with a software fix. Here is the letter from FCA to NHTSA:


And here is the recall notice:


Some important statements:

The suspect period began on October 11, 2016, when PTUs with improperly seated snap rings started to be used in vehicle production, through February 20, 2019, when PTUs with properly seated snap rings started to be used in vehicle production

and

Uncontrolled movement leads to the potential for wear to the range shift sleeve, spline damage, and / or range fork damage which can cause an unexpected loss of motive power or loss of PARK function while stationary. Customers may notice a Service 4WD message, noise, vibration or change in drive quality.

A software fix, like the previous PTU recall, just addressed the issue about what happens when the spline shears. It makes it "safe", not "better".

This is an improper snap ring that is causing wear to the point of breakage. So I would expect FCA to deal with the wear issue as well, as worn components are probably subject to eventual failure too.

This is all speculation, of course. I suppose the good news is FCA understands the failure issue. Now they are scrambling to figure out an affordable fix.
Well the other ones didn’t fix it either and splines failing is also breakage just a different kind and they were somehow allowed to just do programming .
there are a couple posts on this forum of people having W47 done before the splines failed and the vehicles didn’t stay moving/drivable, so it’s still a crap shoot of a safety enhancement???? (Is that the correct wording) 😎
I hope they will be forced now to deal with it correctly
 
Well the other ones didn’t fix it either and splines failing is also breakage just a different kind and they were somehow allowed to just do programming .
there are a couple posts on this forum of people having W47 done before the splines failed and the vehicles didn’t stay moving/drivable, so it’s still a crap shoot of a safety enhancement???? (Is that the correct wording) 😎
I hope they will be forced now to deal with it correctly
I suppose the "good news" is that the prior recalls are all related to the new one. Perhaps that will indeed be a forcing function on FCA/Stellantis. Here is an interesting document that tells the story of the Cherokee ADII PTU debacle.

 
Continuing with the data dump, here is the other recall (yes, there are two).

Safety Recall Report 25E-003.


The Chronology Report. Looks to be exactly the same as the one for 25V-001, except it's formatted better:


This one explains in a convoluted way why there are two recalls. This recall is by specific part numbers that "COULD be used/installed as aftermarket or service parts." In other words, if you had your failed PTU replaced in the past with one of the affected part numbers, you are also subject to a recall!


"Stop Sale" Notice to dealers for the affected part numbers:


So the total population is 63,082 vehicles directly affected, and another 6,979 more for all those poor saps who had their PTU replaced with a potentially defective one. That's 70,061 ADII PTUs out there that may kill you!
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I’m waiting to see if they will also ever investigate the Missing and Broken PTU bolts too. This has been happening frequently now, and I want my money back for the repair if they ever actually recognize that issue .
Jeeps number for this new recall will be 01C.
It’s probably putting more pressure on Stellantis with Transport Canada also being involved. 2 safety agencies is a louder squeaky wheel.
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Missing ptu bolts, missing driveshaft bolts, the drivetrain list goes on and on.
 
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