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Discussion starter · #63 ·
Looks like I’ll be doing the drivers side engine mount soon as well. Fixed one issue and found another😆

I thought about doing all 3 but Mopar definitely wants a pretty penny for them.
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Yeah, looks like the transmission-side mount is toast and will need replacement. Note, there's some good information here on the Forum on replacing the mounts. A few key pointers are probably...:

1. It seems almost everyone who has used aftermarket-mounts have reported bad experiences of them soon breaking and/or leaking. This is one area it seems Mopar-OEM brand matters and is probably worth getting.​
2. Regarding the transmission-side mount, there's an easy way to do it and a hard (official) way to do it. To remove the mount, the battery tray is in the way of one bolt. To remove the tray requires a lot of work going in from the driver's side wheel well. The easy way is to just use a drill/Dremel/oscillating tool and cut a little bit of the battery tray plastic out so you can get a socket on the bolt. MUCH easier!​
3. Here's a thread on inspecting all three mounts. It's a good idea to do because once one fails, the others receive more stress from picking up the load:​
https://www.jeepcherokeeclub.com/threads/diagnosing-broken-motor-mounts-how-to.250834/?post_id=3047563#post-3047563

(y)
 
Yeah, looks like the transmission-side mount is toast and will need replacement. Note, there's some good information here on the Forum on replacing the mounts. A few key pointers are probably...:

1. It seems almost everyone who has used aftermarket-mounts have reported bad experiences of them soon breaking and/or leaking. This is one area it seems Mopar-OEM brand matters and is probably worth getting.​
2. Regarding the transmission-side mount, there's an easy way to do it and a hard (official) way to do it. To remove the mount, the battery tray is in the way of one bolt. To remove the tray requires a lot of work going in from the driver's side wheel well. The easy way is to just use a drill/Dremel/oscillating tool and cut a little bit of the battery tray plastic out so you can get a socket on the bolt. MUCH easier!​
3. Here's a thread on inspecting all three mounts. It's a good idea to do because once one fails, the others receive more stress from picking up the load:​
https://www.jeepcherokeeclub.com/threads/diagnosing-broken-motor-mounts-how-to.250834/?post_id=3047563#post-3047563

(y)
Thanks for the info Gary, I’m gonna get this taken care of before winter as well. Hopefully the other ones didn’t take too much stress. Any recommendations on the best website to order the mounts from?
 
Discussion starter · #67 ·
Thanks for the info Gary, I’m gonna get this taken care of before winter as well. Hopefully the other ones didn’t take too much stress. Any recommendations on the best website to order the mounts from?
Not really, wherever you can find the best price. Be careful if buying off a place like eBay. Unless the seller is a Mopar or CDJR dealer, we've seen cases where it's an aftermarket being listed as "Mopar". If the price is too good,....

ps: one other thing... Depending on your budget, location etc., it's also might be possible picking one up from a local junkyard/pick-a-part/car-part.com from a wrecked Cherokee. If so, go for a later model one and make sure they confirm it's not leaking etc.
 
So I had calipers,stabilizer links and ground strap to change so I gave everything to my mechanic and he added the grounding strap on top of the other one. Cleaned the terminals and all and just screwd them to the existing one. So now I have double grounds.😅
 
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So I had calipers,stabilizer links and ground strap to change so I gave everything to my mechanic and he added the grounding strap on top of the other one. Cleaned the terminals and all and just screwd them to the existing one. So now I have double grounds.😅
Just make sure you don't have the old corroding one up against the new one, making a moisture trap etc. else it will start corroding the new one. It's the same as if you have a piece of rusty metal and you put a clean piece of metal against it. The rust will bridge and start rusting the second piece.

If the original is all corroded out, it's not providing any grounding benefit anymore.
 
I just saw this post and was curious as to whether you stripped off a covering on your original ground strap.

Mine is not open braid, or is it ? I paid no attention to it when I cut the original ground from battery to the ground stud and lengthened it for my Group 27F AGM

I’m not seeing any corrosion at the ground stud so I’m not going to mess with it, but i am curious if maybe it is sleeved over.
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Discussion starter · #73 ·
I just saw this post and was curious as to whether you stripped off a covering on your original ground strap.

Mine is not open braid, or is it ? I paid no attention to it when I cut the original ground from battery to the ground stud and lengthened it for my Group 27F AGM

I’m not seeing any corrosion at the ground stud so I’m not going to mess with it, but i am curious if maybe it is sleeved over.
2017 TH
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No, you don't have the braid. They changed over from the exposed braid to the wire wrapped one you have. (I don't know exactly when but I've seen them on even as far back on some 2015's whereas others still had the braid into 2016+ - go figure. ) At some point they wised-up that an exposed strap that low was not a good idea.

Unfortunaly, there's no way to know the status of the wrapped one without cutting open the plastic wrap. Water eventually gets into everything so there may (or may not) be corrosion under there.
 
I have a '21 Limited and removed the fender liner to inspect, sure enough it has the insulated one. I was hoping for an easy fix for some electrical gremlins. About twice per year the car just dies - engine, all electrical, everything. Not good (especially since it's my teenager's car). Every time, the act of opening and closing the hood firmly a time or two seems to bring the car back to life. Super odd.

Dealership just shrugged and said they couldn't do anything without codes. I removed, cleaned up, and reattached the larger chassis grounds that I could see. I did notice some relays(?) in the electrical box that weren't fully seated, so maybe that could be it. ¯\(ツ)

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Discussion starter · #76 ·
I have a '21 Limited and removed the fender liner to inspect, sure enough it has the insulated one. I was hoping for an easy fix for some electrical gremlins. About twice per year the car just dies - engine, all electrical, everything. Not good (especially since it's my teenager's car). Every time, the act of opening and closing the hood firmly a time or two seems to bring the car back to life. Super odd.

Dealership just shrugged and said they couldn't do anything without codes. I removed, cleaned up, and reattached the larger chassis grounds that I could see. I did notice some relays(?) in the electrical box that weren't fully seated, so maybe that could be it. ¯\(ツ)

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Yeah, with a 2021 it's too new to have a corroded ground strap. However, yes, I'd check relays - especially, the ASD relay. This can stop the car without leaving codes. Also, is your 2021 has the 2.4 engine, then like all Cherokee 2.4 engines, low oil level can cause this issue.

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It’s that time of year again. The weather is starting to get cold and if you live in the North where the roads are salted in the winter, it’s time to winterize your Cherokee so the unexpected doesn’t happen in the middle of February.

It’s well known the Cherokee has quite a few ground straps but the most critical one is the strap leading down from the negative terminal on the battery to the frame and continuing on to the transmission casing. It's also in the unenviable position of being exposed to moisture sources and once corroded, can lead to all sorts of electrical anomalies, warnings or issues. If you are experiencing error lights or messages regarding unrelated systems like the transmission, ABS, shifter etc. , often times it's an intermittent ground.

My 2014 TH's ground strap was at its end of life so before winter set it, I decided to change it. Replacement is an easy DIY job. My total cost was $18 and took about 20 minutes and can be done with wheels on the ground. While replacing it is pretty straight-forward, here’s the process step-by-step.

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1. Ground straps are just braided metal so I ordered a generic off Amazon. The only important thing is that it’s at least the same length and thickness as the original. I chose the one below which was the perfect length and about 25% thicker than the original.


2. Here it is compared to my hand. This strap’s a beast, much thicker than the original strap. There’ll be no intermittent contact when this is in place.


3. Next step is to turn your wheels to full left. Everything can be done with wheels on the ground from the driver's side wheel well.



4. We’re going to peel back the front half of the wheel well liner. To do this remove the two plastic fasteners and the 10mm bolt on the inside face of the liner.

5. Then remove the three 8mm bolts on the front left edge of the liner. On the bottom (yellow arrow) there’s a metal pop rivet. On many cars this has already been pulled out from previous liner removals. If you still have it I’d recommend drilling it out or cutting a little of the fender liner plastic away from it etc. and removing it. You can use a plastic fastener (or even nothing) when reassembling. The liner does not need it to stay in place.





6. Peel the liner out of the way enough so you have a clear view. You’ll now have clear access to the ground strap. Note it’s one long strap from the battery to the transmission with a solid connector frame lug in the middle. The upper half (green box) between the frame connector lug and the battery is covered with wire wrap and electrical tape and normally doesn’t corrode. The lower half (red box) is a different story. It’s exposed to road splash as well as any spillage from filling the windshield washer bottle and almost always be in some state of corrosion. This is the part we’ll replace.




7. Take off the nut at both the frame connector lug and the transmission and put the new ground cable right on top and the nuts back on. Once the new cable is in place, simply cut through the braided part of the old, corroded cable at the frame connector lug.

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8. As shown in this photo with the old grounding strap held up against the newly installed strap, the new cable is more durable and provides approximately a 25% larger grounding path. Finish up by putting the fender liner back on in reverse order. The new strap will probably last for the remaining life of the Jeep. Give yourself a pat on the back for a job well done (y)

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Curious to know why you kept the old, cut, strap under the nee one? Would it work just as well to remove it entirely? We've ordered a new strap and are planning to try your fix this weekend. Thank you so much for sharing this information so generously!
 
It’s that time of year again. The weather is starting to get cold and if you live in the North where the roads are salted in the winter, it’s time to winterize your Cherokee so the unexpected doesn’t happen in the middle of February.

It’s well known the Cherokee has quite a few ground straps but the most critical one is the strap leading down from the negative terminal on the battery to the frame and continuing on to the transmission casing. It's also in the unenviable position of being exposed to moisture sources and once corroded, can lead to all sorts of electrical anomalies, warnings or issues. If you are experiencing error lights or messages regarding unrelated systems like the transmission, ABS, shifter etc. , often times it's an intermittent ground.

My 2014 TH's ground strap was at its end of life so before winter set it, I decided to change it. Replacement is an easy DIY job. My total cost was $18 and took about 20 minutes and can be done with wheels on the ground. While replacing it is pretty straight-forward, here’s the process step-by-step.

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1. Ground straps are just braided metal so I ordered a generic off Amazon. The only important thing is that it’s at least the same length and thickness as the original. I chose the one below which was the perfect length and about 25% thicker than the original.


2. Here it is compared to my hand. This strap’s a beast, much thicker than the original strap. There’ll be no intermittent contact when this is in place.


3. Next step is to turn your wheels to full left. Everything can be done with wheels on the ground from the driver's side wheel well.



4. We’re going to peel back the front half of the wheel well liner. To do this remove the two plastic fasteners and the 10mm bolt on the inside face of the liner.

5. Then remove the three 8mm bolts on the front left edge of the liner. On the bottom (yellow arrow) there’s a metal pop rivet. On many cars this has already been pulled out from previous liner removals. If you still have it I’d recommend drilling it out or cutting a little of the fender liner plastic away from it etc. and removing it. You can use a plastic fastener (or even nothing) when reassembling. The liner does not need it to stay in place.





6. Peel the liner out of the way enough so you have a clear view. You’ll now have clear access to the ground strap. Note it’s one long strap from the battery to the transmission with a solid connector frame lug in the middle. The upper half (green box) between the frame connector lug and the battery is covered with wire wrap and electrical tape and normally doesn’t corrode. The lower half (red box) is a different story. It’s exposed to road splash as well as any spillage from filling the windshield washer bottle and almost always be in some state of corrosion. This is the part we’ll replace.




7. Take off the nut at both the frame connector lug and the transmission and put the new ground cable right on top and the nuts back on. Once the new cable is in place, simply cut through the braided part of the old, corroded cable at the frame connector lug.

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8. As shown in this photo with the old grounding strap held up against the newly installed strap, the new cable is more durable and provides approximately a 25% larger grounding path. Finish up by putting the fender liner back on in reverse order. The new strap will probably last for the remaining life of the Jeep. Give yourself a pat on the back for a job well done (y)

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Thank you so much for sharing this info with such great detail! Just wondering if I correctly understood that we're meant to keep the old, cut, strap under the new one? Or can we just remove it entirely? We've ordered the strap and plan to follow your excellent instructions.
 
Curious to know why you kept the old, cut, strap under the nee one? Would it work just as well to remove it entirely? We've ordered a new strap and are planning to try your fix this weekend. Thank you so much for sharing this information so generously!
Never mind my repeated posts. We understand now - it's all just one long "wire". Thanks again!!
 
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