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What year & miles? Transmission & gear fluid changed?

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I have a 2019 Jeep Cherokee 2.0T, just created 70,000 miles, the dealer states do not change gear or Tranmission fluid, “it’s life time they said”at the dealer ship. Any one changed
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I just did a drain and fill of my transmission last week. It is 8 years old and has 53k miles, I bought it used in December. ZF has a recommendation to change at 8 years or 100k miles. The drain and fill replaces a little over half the fluid. Attached are a couple of pics of what came out. I have had several vehicles in the past that have improved with a fluid change and have taken them to 200k. 6 3/8 fluid is what moves this car. Typical recommendations for automatics is if you are well over 100k, its too late to change. I like seeing clean fluid.
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wow where'd you find that?
there's a bare bones "sport" near me w/ 30k miles that just went down $1k in price
Actually, very close to you. Found it on Facebook marketplace in Haverhill, MA. It was a lucky find. $16.5k. Old couple didn't drive much. I have been catching up on missing maintenance, but oil was changed regularly. Hopefully it will last long so it can be my toad in a few years. :cool:
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Still haven't replaced those fluids, but have been noticing slightly more rougher shifts on the transmission. It's possible the levels are slightly lower, but at that point I'd consider just topping it off than draining it. I may have the dealer look into it first, and judge from there. I could even request they check the transmission oil level, and top off as necessary (same with PTU, and RDM). They say it's all a lifetime fluid, but they say nothing of you can't top it off.
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thank you for this information,
I’ve read a flush can damage things, better to just
Drain and fill, would you agree?
My opinion only, and this is what I do with my variety of vehicles. My research has been if your transmission is in good shape, refreshing your fluid will improve the physical properties of your fluid, ie closer to new specs. If your transmission has worn, changing the fluid may result in slipping because the wear products in the fluid is actually helping move the car. With clean fluid it will slip. If we agree on that, how does lifetime fluid impact this thought process? There will be a point that that fluid has partially broken down. Just like he said in the video, nothing lasts forever. So eventually the fluid will have degraded and start doing damage. And if you refresh, it will be further from being the cause of failure. Doesn't mean something else won't go wrong! 😞 Looking at what came out of my transmission, I will probably repeat the drain and fill next winter. The fluid had same consistency as new, but definitely was quite dark, compared to the clear green new. Hey, new fluid will not hurt if your within "Lifetime "!
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thank you for this information,
I’ve read a flush can damage things, better to just
Drain and fill, would you agree?
Oh, filter is lifetime too, so I am cool with that.😊
thank you for this information,
I’ve read a flush can damage things, better to just
Drain and fill, would you agree?
Everything I have ever heard for any transmission is that flushes can cause problems. They can disturb and release deposits and wear products. In some cars, a dealer would disconnect a cooler line and with the car running, drain out old and pump in new. That way they would get the fluid that is in the torque converter. The drain and refill is just a fluid replacement. I checked my level before and after just to get an idea where it was and if I got it back. I like to know these things!
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Hey @MaineHawk , there's different schools of thought on this so in the end, each person needs to do what feels right.

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Which of these two schools are more accurate is a matter of debate. One thing I would be hesitant to do In the end, I just wish there was better guidance from Stellanis/FCA or ZF on exactly what they considered "lifetime", especially since there are many of these earlier transmissions over 150k now. :unsure:
Yeah, I don't agree with flushes either. I do drain and fills. I guess I wasn't clear when answering the above question. When I say drain and fill only renews the fluid, that is a good thing. What I found from zf was 8 years or 100k miles. I am not willing to wait that many miles, so I did it sooner. Considering the dirty fluid that came out at 52k, I will be repeating well before 100k.
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I guess that was my point about the filter, that it must also be considered lifetime by Jeep. If so, the filter must be for larger particles but not truly cleaning the fluid of micro wear products, otherwise it would get plugged up. Periodic drain and refills removes at least some of the micro wear products that come out with the old. I think it is similar to the engine oil changes in that the internals stay cleaner when you change oil often before it is super black and contaminated. This results in less build up in small passageways. Additionally, replacing some fluid periodically should help maintain the fluid specs closer to new. This car is propelled by less than 7 quarts of fluid. After many years and many miles, it can't still be as good as new. I guess, IMHO, the fluid maintenance is much more important than the filter change.

I consider it a vicious cycle. If you wait too long, you shouldn't change the fluid, but by them saying it is lifetime fluid, it leads people to wait too long.
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I used a few resources. The thread on this sight helped alot. I will add the link. There are also a couple of websites that explain. Search for cherokee 9 speed atf fluid change. Getting to the plug for the fill and level check is the hardest part. I believe with the 4 cylinder you need to take off the front driverside wheel well liner.
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