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Hi All,

I have a 2022 Trailhawk brand new and I'm in Australia the only sell the car here with normal road tyres no A/T.

Anyway I ordered and purchased the HS 2inch lift which I just installed and now I want to upgrade my tyres. With the tyres I wanted to key some BF goodrich K02 in the size of
255/70/R17 does any one have this size and do they fit with out any modifications to the wheel wall??
Here is a photo of mine lifted with the road tyres it comes with.
Thanks and if anyone has any photo of their cards with this tyre combo I would love to see the pics.
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Welcome from Utah, USA!!! 245/70/17 is the largest tire you can fit without trimming the lower front wheel well area. KO2's are a great tire, but they are very heavy at 50lbs each since they are an LT rated tire. I personally run the Toyo A/T III's that I've found are very comparable, but much lighter at 37lbs. Another popular tire down here are the Falken Wildpeak AT3W. Search around the forum and you'll find many lift and tire threads...馃槑
Thanks good to be here, I have done a lot of search son here but cannot really find many running the tyre size of 255/70/R17, also there a many conflicted reports of people stating they can fit bigger sized tyres with out mods while others state the same size requires a mod, thus would be good to hear what people are running and if they carried out any mods to their car to achieve that sized tyre. Also how do you rate the Toyo A/T III's? and do you this the KO2 are too heavy for a TH?
 

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That's because it's not a very common, or manufactured size in the A/T category...馃槑


I rate them excellent. Very tough and capable, but also very street friendly, and their 60,000 mile warranty isn't bad either. Another tire that has peaked my attention are the Maxxis RAZR AT. Seeing some great reviews on them as well, and they will probably be replacing the KM3's currently on my Can Am X3 XRC when the time comes...馃槑
I have also seen the Maxxis RAZR AT and have them on my list as a possible candidate, what is their weight like compared to the KO2s?
 

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Actually, with the Maxxis, you would actually run the 265/65, as they are not available in a 245/70, but they would be almost exactly the same as a 245/70 once mounted up, and should fit without issues. 30.7" compared to the Toyo 245/70 at 30.6", both 37lbs...馃槑
Thank you to you and everyone else here for all the great advise, what would you suggest be more beneficial for off-roading the 265/65 or the 245/70? would they both give the same amount off lift and if so how much 1inch?

Also what would everyone consider as the holy grail of A/T tyres for a TH these days?
 

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There's only a tenth of an inch, or less than 3mm in the diameter height, so virtually zero ground clearance difference between the 245/70 and the 265/65. Any of those are top of the line AT's, and all excellent choices for the Trailhawk. I'm not sure where you are located down there, but my one trip down was to Queensland, and I would compare it to our Southwestern US as far as climate goes, pretty dry and dusty most of the time, and you don't have snow to worry about. Again, all great choices, and let us know what you go with, and do post pictures...馃槑
Thanks for the tip i'm located down in Sydney the climate is more wet and and colder, snow yes indeed but not where I live so wont really be an issue, I intend to do mostly beach and clay/rock trails Queensland many thousands of miles from me.

I will definitely post photos once I I choose and have the tires fitted. So hard to choose!
 

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Same as the Toyo鈥榮, Falkens, and most other non LT rated, all around 37lbs in 245/70/17's. @Mark_ they are not available in 255's, in fact they are pretty limited in smaller sizes all together...馃槑
Also worth asking why do you feel the heaver LT tyres will not be good for these cars? gas mileage or extra strain on the drivetrain?
 

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Both fuel mileage, and wear and tear on a somewhat delicate drivetrain to begin with. That's just my opinion. Better safe, than sorry. PTU's, axles, RDM's, suspension, and steering components ain't cheap nowadays...馃槈馃槑
Well noted, do you believe in your opinion 245/70 with some non LT tyres will hold up just fine for the long term?
 

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Fair enough i'm now leaning towards the Toyo's you have, do you have any photos of your Jeep you can post with them on?
 

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GMEUP, I have to ask. Do you have any issues when off-road with the front end not extending fully? ie.. a little rougher ride than usual?

I've heard through the grapevine that it was a problem with 2019+ Trailhawks?
I have the Hazard Sky 2 Inch lift and my car is pretty much bran new and it feels no different with the lift plenty of supply suspension travel feels like OEM.
 

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aren't those Geolanders actually an A/T tire? That is what comes out the new Subaru wilderness editions IIRC.

everyone's different, but unless you are actually having issues seems a waste to take a brand new, very capable off road machine and replace stuff that has 0 wear. But that's just me. Always trying to save a buck :cool:
In Australia the US ships the TH with this tyre. Great road tyre but not really designed for off roading?

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well yeah I stand corrected that is definitely different than the Geo lander A/T I was thinking of

stoked to see pics when it is all done

we鈥檙e twins minus the lift and tires鈥. And of course your steering wheel is on the wrong side 馃ぃ馃槣馃槣
Yes nice taste in colour I really like black ! Unfortunately we follow the United Kingdom on the steering front!:D:D:D:p:p
 

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One would think they would at least come with the GO15 A/T, or at least the same Firestones that we got...Hmmm...馃馃槑
My thoughts exactly, if they had I wouldn't have to make this post I guess. Took the TH on the beach today no issue at all with the highway tyres...

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Did you have to drop the pressures at all???馃槑
No I left the tires fully pumped up yesterday as the sand wasn't that thick but in softer sand I go down to about 15 psi otherwise I will bog down. Also How do you rate the toyo A/T 3 against the wildpeak at3w i've now narrowed it down to these two tires.
 

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Well, I'm probably a little more partial to the Toyo鈥榮, since I run them, and have not run the Wildpeaks. Do a quick Google search, Toyo A/T III's vs Falken Wildpeak A/T 3W. There's a few pretty good comparisons. The only negative I've seen with the Falkens on other people's vehicles is they seem to chunk the tread a little bit in our high desert rocky terrain here in Utah. You really can't go wrong with either one, they're both excellent all terrains...馃槑
The toyo A/T 3s just got released in Australia this week not sure how long the US has had them the come in the following sizes

245/70R17119R
265/70R17121S
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Tha
Another good distributor site with plenty of reviews on every tire on the planet...馃槑
https://simpletire.com/brands/toyo-tires/open-country-a-t-iii/reviews
Thanks for that, I went to see a tyre shop today and they advised the following.

If I go 245/70/17 I would get roughly a 1 inch lift over what i have now this is with the wildpeak at3.
If I go 255/65/17 I would get roughly a 0.6 inc lift and more width

The guy seemed to know what he was talking about and said he fits these tyres all the time. Do you guys think what he said is right on the lift between these two sizes?
 

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Many thanks guys for your wise words. If it were you what would you go for the 245/70 or the 255/65? i would only be driving on beach sand and dirt/mud trails no snow.

Also will the 255/65 spare fit in the wheel well like the 245/70?

Here is photos of the 255/65 he showed me yesterday.
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I don't know. The 245/70 is tight. The extra width might not let it close completely flat, but I'm not saying it won't either...馃槑
And which size would you get if your not going in snow. I know you have 245/70 but would the extra width aid with more traction overall?
 

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I'll just jump in and let Scott answer when he stops by. For snow, it depends... If you want to hit some unplowed roads or trails that have deep snow, wider is better. But for regular snow covered on-road driving, narrower is better in snow, the tire can more easily dig down to the solid surface for traction.
If you plan on driving on sand, then wider is better, although... there is something to be said about a taller sidewall, for sand. Taller sidewall (like the 245/70 has over the 255/65) means you can air down more and get a longer contact patch. To be honest though, those two tire sizes might be close to equal in sand, because of their dimension pros and cons.
Thanks for the advise, but if I never go in snow which size would you recommend is better?
 

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I agree with what Mark said. I personally wouldn't run anything bigger than the 245/70's, even if we could fit much larger tires for a couple reasons. First one being, they fit without any modifications, and leave plenty of clearance for things like mud buildup, suspension travel, and articulation while offroading. Then the biggie is added wear and tear on the drivetrain, suspension, and steering components from larger, and heavier tires. Even though there's virtually very little difference between the two sizes, I've come to the conclusion from my own experience from 50 years of offroading, and from other folks experiences around here that the 245/70's are just the perfect size upgrade for our lifted 2019+ Trailhawks for performance and reliability...JMHO...馃槑
Thanks very much understand your point of view, one point raised by the tyre fitter he said the 255/65 is a much more common tyre size on the market so in the event of a puncture and needed a replacement the 255/65 will be easier to source as they are more plentiful, he said its more of an uncommon size the 245/70 but he told me its much the same which way you go and left it up to me to pick.
 
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