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I've been lurking on this forum for a while, and have read all 58 pages of this topic. I'm grateful for this thread because I experienced the "wobble", but didn't know it was from the Jeep. My front end on the motorhome went nutso when I pulled away from the side of an uneven road in Texas Hill Country. I was just as in the dark as most of the others on here, and when I get back to home base this fall will be adding the kit.

My question concerns those folks who make the alteration from the installed fuse/block to run a separate switch either inside or outside. That make much sense, but will that modification invalidate the responsibility of FCA in the event of future accidents (or?) because of wheel wobble? Would we have to prove our mod didn't result in the problem?

Gary
2015 6cyl TH bought Nov 2016 without the dealership giving us a clue about this kit!
Welcome to the forum Gary.

To answer your question, I don't think you have anything to worry about if you add a switch.

Wow, you read all 58 pages? It's a gruelling story to follow, and probably only interesting to someone that has experienced the violent shaking and looking for a solution. The first time it happened to me I thought either the motorhome's differential exploded or I had a blowout. The good thing is once the flat-tow kit is installed it eliminates the severe wobble problem. I have not seen any report of recurrence once the kit is installed. Since the kit was installed in mine I've traveled more than 5,000 miles that includes severe construction zones along I-75. The KL's steering has been rock solid.

On the switch question, I'm assuming you're talking about installing a switch that allows you to turn on/off the EPS (Electronic Power Steering) without having to insert/remove the 10 amp fuse that's part of the kit. As long as you insert the switch (12 volt, minimum 10 amp, waterproof) in series with the fuse, no one can point to that simple change as a mod that resulted in a problem. To minimize problems and keep it simple, I'd suggest keeping the wires short by inserting the switch next to the fuse holder that's part of the kit. However, if you've already punched a hole in the firewall....

Tip: As part of your departure checklist, grab the steering wheel and make sure it turns easily.
@bobged - At least my comments are reasonably inline with yours :). Did I really spend that much time composing this post lol.
 

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@bobged - At least my comments are reasonably inline with yours :). Did I really spend that much time composing this post lol.
LOL, I agree. I think we essentialy posted the same general info. The most important part is I don't think we said anything that confused the issue for Gary.
 

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Had harness installed today. Now to get wires through firewall for additional switch we're talking about


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Had harness installed today. Now to get wires through firewall for additional switch we're talking about
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I don't remember if I posted this prevously in this thread and I'm too lazy to look for it now, but the attached is how I installed a switch. It did not involve cutting any hole in the firewall as there was an existing rubber grommet that I was able to route the wires through.
 

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Printed it and will be using. I've gone through two separate grommets first for the led bar then for a breakaway switch. Will see if I can put the wire through one of these. Ordered the switch tonight but will be using a different kind.


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I don't believe there is anything that can be done. FCA stopped paying for the kits and installation last year after they made a change to the Jeep Manual. If you look in the Recreational Towing section it should state that the Mopar wiring kit is a required accessory to tow four down.

The reason JeepCares was able to help those of us with 2014-2015 and some early 2016's is because that requirement was not published in those model year manuals as they didn't yet realize, or admit, they had a problem.
As an update on this subject, I have a 2015 Trailhawk and experienced the wobble last month. I PM'd Kori and this is what I received in response:

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Hi George,

I do apologize that you have had the wobbling experience. However, the kit is considered an accessory and is a customer pay item. I am no longer able to offer assistance to customers who need the kit installed.

I'm sorry for the inconvenience.

Kori
Jeep Social Care Specialist[/QUOTE]


Any suggestions regarding my next move? I've responded to Kori noting my disagreement with the response but don't have a lot of confidence that they'll resolve it satisfactorily.


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As an update on this subject, I have a 2015 Trailhawk and experienced the wobble last month. I PM'd Kori and this is what I received in response:

Hi George,

I do apologize that you have had the wobbling experience. However, the kit is considered an accessory and is a customer pay item. I am no longer able to offer assistance to customers who need the kit installed.

I'm sorry for the inconvenience.

Kori
Jeep Social Care Specialist
Any suggestions regarding my next move? I've responded to Kori noting my disagreement with the response but don't have a lot of confidence that they'll resolve it satisfactorily.

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You might speak to the dealer from whom you purchased your Cherokee. Show him the part of your owner's manual which deals with 'flat-towing' and, if you have one, the 2015 Cherokee brochure. Nowhere in these documents is there any reference to the "tow-harness". Perhaps you can negotiate something.

[FCA/Jeep has really shot themselves in the foot on this one. They cannot possibly be so deluded as to think that their ratings haven't suffered because of this issue or that it will not cause them loss of future sales. Maybe they think the motorhome-towed-vehicle market is so small and self-contained that "the word" will not get out.]
 

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As an update on this subject, I have a 2015 Trailhawk and experienced the wobble last month. I PM'd Kori and this is what I received in response:
Hi George,

I do apologize that you have had the wobbling experience. However, the kit is considered an accessory and is a customer pay item. I am no longer able to offer assistance to customers who need the kit installed.

I'm sorry for the inconvenience.

Kori
Jeep Social Care Specialist[/QUOTE]


Any suggestions regarding my next move? I've responded to Kori noting my disagreement with the response but don't have a lot of confidence that they'll resolve it satisfactorily.


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A while back they sent out owners manual inserts to be added that explained if flat towing was to be desired you needed the flat tow kit. They offered this kit free for a short while and then started charging for it. Don't think it's unreasonably priced but if you don't like the dealer labor rates you might be able to have your local RV service center install it, although I'd bet their rates are even higher.

The kit was offered for free for nearly a year. They can't continue to give something away for free. If you bought the vehicle used and didn't get the additional slip, that responsibility falls on the previous owner. If you are the original owner and did get the slip and just waited then that falls on you. If and only IF you didn't get the slip you might have some ground to stand on. But FCA did cover their butts about a year back or so regarding this issue because it was so widespread and common.

I wish you the best on your towing and keeping adventures. This is a wonderful little community we have going here. Should you need any other help there are lots of people to ask.


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This is an update on the installation of a battery maintainer device for use while flat towing the Cherokee. I had previously installed a device from Brake Buddy called the "Towed Vehicle Battery Maintainer":

http://www.brakebuddy.com/Products/Accessories/Towed-Vehicle-Battery-Maintainer

I used this device on my Cherokee when I towed it back home this spring and my battery stayed charged and seemed to be fine. I also used it on our trip down here to Florida a few weeks ago but when we arrived the Jeep's battery was dead so the maintainer didn't work. I tested it and sure enough it had died for some reason (no apparent damage so it must have just developed some kind of failure).

After doing some research I decided to replace it with this device:

https://rvibrake.com/collections/accessories/products/towed-battery-charger?variant=8804388741

The device arrived today I now have it installed. The installation was easy and very straight forward. I ended up mounting it on the firewall just above the brake reservoir so it is out of the way. It appears to be a more heavy duty device than the one from Brakebuddy and has a higher amp capacity which should help in keeping the battery charged. We'll find out for sure in the spring when we return home.

Just thought that all you flat towing types out there might be interested...
 

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I have a 2015 Trailhawk and just bought a motorhome. Fixing to get my TH "fixed" to tow behind. The shop said to make sure the Power Steering fix is done by jeep.

Jeep dealer said their is an issue with the EPS in SOME Cherokee's, but said to try it first before spending the money for the fix from Jeep. In the Thor (my Rig) forum, some said Jeep paid for the fix but that was 2 yrs ago. I was quoted something like $450 to have some kind of wire harness installed to fix the EPS issue.

That on top of the $4200 just to make it towable. Sheesh.

So to answer some of the questions above, Jeep dealer says it IS a problem with the EPS but only on SOME Cherokee's.

I've already had, for 2 yrs now, some "minor" wobble going at freeway speeds over bumps in the road. And I can feel sort of a "wobble" at slower speeds, but after 4 checks by 3 dealers, the usual "nothing found".
 

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I have a 2015 Trailhawk and just bought a motorhome. Fixing to get my TH "fixed" to tow behind. The shop said to make sure the Power Steering fix is done by jeep.

Jeep dealer said their is an issue with the EPS in SOME Cherokee's, but said to try it first before spending the money for the fix from Jeep. In the Thor (my Rig) forum, some said Jeep paid for the fix but that was 2 yrs ago. I was quoted something like $450 to have some kind of wire harness installed to fix the EPS issue.

That on top of the $4200 just to make it towable. Sheesh.

So to answer some of the questions above, Jeep dealer says it IS a problem with the EPS but only on SOME Cherokee's.

I've already had, for 2 yrs now, some "minor" wobble going at freeway speeds over bumps in the road. And I can feel sort of a "wobble" at slower speeds, but after 4 checks by 3 dealers, the usual "nothing found".
Congratulations on your Motorhome! There is a lot of information about towing your TH here in this and other threads in this forum.

Your dealer's statement that the wobble while being towed happens with "some" Cherokees is a bit naive. It's not the Jeep, but rather the conditions, bumps, ruts, timing, which sets up the vibration. The "wobble" tendency is damped (absorbed) in vehicles with hydraulic steering and/or steering stabilizers. The Cherokee has neither; the software in the EPS computer is designed to counter any wobble tendencies while you're driving down the road. The "wobble-fix-harness" allows you to keep the EPS 'on' while you tow. Many Cherokee owners have reported towing thousands of miles with no wobble events, and then it happened; its just a matter of hitting the right/wrong conditions.

Dealer installed, the wobble-fix-harness is reported in the $500+/- range so that's in the ballpark, unless you can convince a dealer that you should get a freebie since others did backin 2015.

However a cost $4200 to 'make it towable' sounds somewhat high. What does that include? Towbars with the baseplate (towbar bracket) and wiring kits run about $1000 to $1500 if you shop around and I wouldn't expect installation to run much above $1k. There are a lot of options with three major manufacturers of this equipment BlueOx, Demco and Roadmaster. I do not know how many installation quotes you received but there are a lot of places to get the job done if you don't do it yourself.

Safe travels and welcome to motorhoming!

PS: I am not sure if your statement about "minor wobble going at freeway speeds" is related to the tow-wobble. Could it be your front wheels need balancing? ... tires worn unevenly?
 

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Having set up for towing, @rpasetto is dead on. 1) Get the EPS activation modification. You don't want to try it first as one incident at speed could seriously damage your Jeep and your motorhome. Not worth the risk. 2) My highest quote to get set up to tow was in the $2500-2800 range by two local RV dealers. I did mine on my own and saved the $1000-1500 in labor, but still....$4K seems very high, so shop around.

I am going on 2 years of trouble free towing with the EPS switch....
 

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I don't remember if I posted this prevously in this thread and I'm too lazy to look for it now, but the attached is how I installed a switch. It did not involve cutting any hole in the firewall as there was an existing rubber grommet that I was able to route the wires through.
I did the same thing a few weeks ago. I looked for alternative switch locations, but ended up with the location from the document. My biggest challenge now is flipping the switches in the right order (setting up - switch in the console first, then the power steering power switch. Opposite when disconnecting).

I set up our 2017 Trailhawk up for towing for a total of about $4,500. This included Roadmaster baseplates, Roadmaster Falcon All Terrain Tow Bar, 6 pin connector and tail light wiring, safety cables and power cable, an RViBrake3 brake system and and RViBrake battery charger, and purchase and install of the Jeep Death Wobble Cable (er...flat tow kit, the dealer winced every time I said death wobble). I toyed with doing my own installations, but I'm getting to the age where more and more jobs are becoming "write a check" jobs. I'm finding they are the best kind. There is great value in avoiding the wife obsessing about what might go wrong on step 20 when I'm only on step 2.

Only job left is to order an extra set of tow arms and find a welding shop to weld my recovery hooks onto the them so the Trailhawk can get its hooks back when I'm not towing.
 

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I guess I've had my head in the sand on this one (haven't been here and was never notified by Chrysler) . l've been towing my TH for 5 years now, probably 15,000 miles on lots of different roads. I've never experienced a problem. I wonder if it is a function of the TH and the tow set up? I hope so cause I don't feel like upgrading the set up.
 

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Gator I hope you continue to have good luck. Until it happens to you, you won't know what a really bad sensation is like when the KL is trying to turn the RV everywhichway. I had been towing a good deal before it did it to me when I turned a hard left. Had no idea what happened. Felt like the front end of the MH was unglued. At the side of the road I checked tie rods of the MH, and nothing evident on the TH. Later I found this site and thread and it all made sense. Never a word from dealer or FCA. I was too late in the deal to get a free install like many others, so gave up $400 to have the peace of mind. You'll do what you want to do, but if you happen to have it happen in a road contruction area, look out.
 

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There have been numerous posts made by KL owners (makes no difference if they're TH or not) that have experienced the violent shaking. Most of them have been at slow speeds, however there was a post made by a 2015 TH owner that experienced the violent shaking traveling at approximately 45-50 mph when transitioning from I-405 to Hwy 101 in So. Calif. He stated it was one of the scariest experiences he had ever been through.

I had it happen one time at about 15 mph, and wouldn't care to experience it again.

The only way to stop these violent shaking incidents is to come to a COMPLETE stop and then continue driving. My concern is this could occur on a two lane highway (one lane in each direction), and I would not be able to get completely off the roadway.
 

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I guess I've had my head in the sand on this one (haven't been here and was never notified by Chrysler) . l've been towing my TH for 5 years now, probably 15,000 miles on lots of different roads. I've never experienced a problem. I wonder if it is a function of the TH and the tow set up? I hope so cause I don't feel like upgrading the set up.

I suggest you read thru the many threads on the Cherokee Wobble here on this forum and on other forums.

Don't feel bad that you didn't know about the problem. FCA/Jeep hasn't notified the owners and in the early 2014 and 2015 brochures they advertised the KL Cherokee as the "ideal tow vehicle". It's only in recent years that the FCA literature mentions the issue. Now that you're here, you can take the opportunity to lean about it and many other things about your Cherokee.
 

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Had an interesting discussion this weekend. This couple in a 2003 Liberty saw my 2019 and asked about the wobble fix in the 2018 and 2019 Cherokees. I said it was fixed in the 2019 and I had no issues so far. They then proceeded to tell me that their neighbor has a 2018 Cherokee with no flat tow harness and had towed it "for thousands of miles" with no issues. I told them while that may be true, the fix wasn't incorporated until the 2019 model. They had their eye on a 2018 and seemed ready to pull the trigger - until they talked to me.

So I wonder how many 2014-2018 Cherokees are out there being towed without the flat tow wiring kit and no issues?

Shameless plug: If you or you know someone flat towing a KL (any year, any configuration), please feel free to add to the poll at https://jeepcherokeeclub.com/337-to...rokee-toad-wobble-experience-2014-2019-a.html
 

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Wobble

Before I had the kit installed, free, by the Chrysler dealer, I had had a couple of wobble events. Since then, I have had 1 event but had not turned the Fix on...my fault. I mostly do not remember to flip the switches on (I installed a second switch in series with the fuse) and have only had the 1 event.
I understand that although the fix is free, some owners have been charged large amounts of money to have it done. Bad news!

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Before I had the kit installed, free, by the Chrysler dealer, I had had a couple of wobble events. Since then, I have had 1 event but had not turned the Fix on...my fault. I mostly do not remember to flip the switches on (I installed a second switch in series with the fuse) and have only had the 1 event.
I understand that although the fix is free, some owners have been charged large amounts of money to have it done. Bad news!

Brian
I didn't account for "tow kit installed and forget to activate but only occasional issues" (or something like that). The point is when you have the flat tow wiring kit installed, do you have any issues? Seems like the poll selection applies: "2014-2018 with Chrysler Flat Tow Performance Kit (68321424AB), no further wobble experienced". Or perhaps same selection with a comment that you still get wobble issues sometimes if you forget to engage and had an issue. Or perhaps: "Don't tow behind motorhome but still wanted to vote, or none of the above (please explain)" with your description above.

Agree this should be a free install for 2014-2018 Cherokees. Indeed, "bad news" for those who forked out fat stacks for the update. Yow, Bitchez! (Too many episodes of Breaking Bad in my head).
 
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