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I have never ordered a new vehicle, always just bought one off the lot or one the dealer pulled from another lot. Do you get a better deal buying what the dealer has on lot/pulling from another lot or do you get a better deal ordering a new vehicle with only the options you want?
I am in the market for a trailhawk and it started out that we wanted white, V6 and tow package, now I am thinking I want the Nav/HD radio and maybe the 8" subwoofer, **** tomorrow I might want the leather group who knows (probably not) BUT I have a budget.
The dealer found me a White, V6, Tow package, Nav Ready radio for
$31,910.00 +++ could I order this for cheaper since they have to pull this from another dealer anyway? Is $31,910.00 a good price?
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Sorry if this was night the right place to post this question.
I am in the market for a trailhawk and it started out that we wanted white, V6 and tow package, now I am thinking I want the Nav/HD radio and maybe the 8" subwoofer, **** tomorrow I might want the leather group who knows (probably not) BUT I have a budget.
The dealer found me a White, V6, Tow package, Nav Ready radio for
$31,910.00 +++ could I order this for cheaper since they have to pull this from another dealer anyway? Is $31,910.00 a good price?
T.I.A.
YellerNeck
P.S.
Sorry if this was night the right place to post this question.
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You can't order one and expect a lower price, they'll often give you a better deal for a vehicle sitting on the lot for 30, 45 or 60+ days. New cars are not sitting in inventory, thus have a higher sell value. Check the base price for a given model. Those with a higher base, are newer vehicles. Anything built after Dec 14 has other advantages.... See other threads on build date/R01
But you will get what you want. I ordered mine, couldn't find the options I wanted, got $2500 off MSRP and am very happy.
But you will get what you want. I ordered mine, couldn't find the options I wanted, got $2500 off MSRP and am very happy.
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I just got my Cherokee through a special order from the factory. What I learned..... If there is a vehicle that has been sitting at the dealership for 180+ days you can get the best deal. However, you can get a better deal by placing a factory order than having the dealer trade with another dealership for your vehicle. I got over $2500 off sticker plus about $1000 over KBB value on my trade. I'm a happy camper.
Just sharing my experience......
Just sharing my experience......
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Figure I would post to the Official Ordering Thread, although I did a separate post too.
Ordered 2015 Jeep Cherokee Limited
True Blue Exterior
Blue / Brown Interior
Luxury Group
Technology Group
SafetyTec Group
Towing Group
8.4AN
9 Speaker Sound w/sub
Ordered 3/3/15, ETS 3/28/15, ETA at dealer 4/10/15
Pricing was $500 below dealer invoice through Costco Auto Program. Plus I'll get any incentives available at time of purchase also taken off final price.
MSRP: $37,455
Dealer Inv: $35,786
Guaranteed Costco Price: $35,286
Current Rebates: $1,500
With $1,500 rebate total price would be $33,786 +TTL
Ordered 2015 Jeep Cherokee Limited
True Blue Exterior
Blue / Brown Interior
Luxury Group
Technology Group
SafetyTec Group
Towing Group
8.4AN
9 Speaker Sound w/sub
Ordered 3/3/15, ETS 3/28/15, ETA at dealer 4/10/15
Pricing was $500 below dealer invoice through Costco Auto Program. Plus I'll get any incentives available at time of purchase also taken off final price.
MSRP: $37,455
Dealer Inv: $35,786
Guaranteed Costco Price: $35,286
Current Rebates: $1,500
With $1,500 rebate total price would be $33,786 +TTL
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We placed our order 4/10, it went D1 on 4/15, but no ETA yet.
Limited 4x4 V6
Deep Cherry Red Exterior, Black Interior
SafetyTec
Luxury Group
Tech Group
Tow Package
Sunroof
I used the DC Group Buy at JeepGarage. Good price, easy deal, road trip from upstate NY to pick it up.
I would have preferred white or true blue with the blue/brown interior, BUT it's for my wife, not me so she wins!!
I actually wanted one of these when they first came out, which is why I joined a while ago. When I sat in one I found it too small for our long distance vehicle, so I opted for the grand instead. My wife is now replacing her Prius (you want good gas mileage, get a Prius, NOT a 4 cyl. Cherokee!) with essentially the vehicle I wanted a year ago! Since she doesn't need the space for her commute, it's perfect and we're keeping the Prius for little errands when the roads (and our long, steep driveway) are clear.
We tried out the Renegade, RAV4 and CR-V along with the Cherokee. She liked the Cherokee best!
Limited 4x4 V6
Deep Cherry Red Exterior, Black Interior
SafetyTec
Luxury Group
Tech Group
Tow Package
Sunroof
I used the DC Group Buy at JeepGarage. Good price, easy deal, road trip from upstate NY to pick it up.
I would have preferred white or true blue with the blue/brown interior, BUT it's for my wife, not me so she wins!!
I actually wanted one of these when they first came out, which is why I joined a while ago. When I sat in one I found it too small for our long distance vehicle, so I opted for the grand instead. My wife is now replacing her Prius (you want good gas mileage, get a Prius, NOT a 4 cyl. Cherokee!) with essentially the vehicle I wanted a year ago! Since she doesn't need the space for her commute, it's perfect and we're keeping the Prius for little errands when the roads (and our long, steep driveway) are clear.
We tried out the Renegade, RAV4 and CR-V along with the Cherokee. She liked the Cherokee best!
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...and the New Model Year begins.
Saturday, the Wife and I ordered her new Daily Driver. A 2016 Jeep Cherokee Limited dressed in Deep Cherry Red Crystal Pearcoat, and Black Leather.
3.2L V6 Engine with Stop/Start
Luxury Group
Safety Tec
9 Amplified Speakers w/Subwoofer (I've been a Metal Head for forty years and had to do it)
UConnect 8.4AN
Full Sunroof Power Front - Fixed Rear
Technology Group
Trailer Tow Group (I don't plan on towing, but wanted the extra Tranny and Engine Cooling and the full sized spare)
We got 2600 off the Sticker price at today's prices, plus any rebates available to us, and if it's caught in the price increase we'll pay that as well. The toughest part of the whole deal is it won't be built until at least July 20th, when the 2016 Line fires up. But it is something to look forward to. The Wedding Anniversary is in the Middle of September, and were hoping to have the car for a getaway trip.
Thanks to all the forum members for the information I have gathered while visiting the threads here. It's been a long time since we bought a Brand New Car, and what I have learned here has helped us buy with confidence.
Saturday, the Wife and I ordered her new Daily Driver. A 2016 Jeep Cherokee Limited dressed in Deep Cherry Red Crystal Pearcoat, and Black Leather.
3.2L V6 Engine with Stop/Start
Luxury Group
Safety Tec
9 Amplified Speakers w/Subwoofer (I've been a Metal Head for forty years and had to do it)
UConnect 8.4AN
Full Sunroof Power Front - Fixed Rear
Technology Group
Trailer Tow Group (I don't plan on towing, but wanted the extra Tranny and Engine Cooling and the full sized spare)
We got 2600 off the Sticker price at today's prices, plus any rebates available to us, and if it's caught in the price increase we'll pay that as well. The toughest part of the whole deal is it won't be built until at least July 20th, when the 2016 Line fires up. But it is something to look forward to. The Wedding Anniversary is in the Middle of September, and were hoping to have the car for a getaway trip.
Thanks to all the forum members for the information I have gathered while visiting the threads here. It's been a long time since we bought a Brand New Car, and what I have learned here has helped us buy with confidence.
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I hope it's okay to ask this here in this thread. If I decide to order a 2017 in a few to several weeks, what is an acceptable negotiated price? This assumes there are no rebates or incentives. With my last FCA car, I was given a price $675 below invoice due to a relative being a dealership employee. Looking around on Trucar, I saw where my negotiated price was by no means at the low end, but somewhere in the middle of what others paid. I think I should have gotten a little more off, especially considering this dealer charges a $500 doc fee. (nobody escapes that doc fee)
That car was bought outright with no trade in. If I get a Trailhawk, my car will be traded in. I know that gives them wiggle room on the sale price, but we've already established a trade in value.
I've got to compare ordering a 2017 or driving several hours to a dealer with the 2016 Trailhawk optioned as I prefer. So many are 4k to 7k below MSRP.
I am leery of dealing with a dealer far away and them possibly playing a game thinking they have me hooked after a long drive.
Knowing what price is reasonable vs what price is achievable below invoice when ordering early in the model year will help me make my decision. Thanks for any advice.
That car was bought outright with no trade in. If I get a Trailhawk, my car will be traded in. I know that gives them wiggle room on the sale price, but we've already established a trade in value.
I've got to compare ordering a 2017 or driving several hours to a dealer with the 2016 Trailhawk optioned as I prefer. So many are 4k to 7k below MSRP.
I am leery of dealing with a dealer far away and them possibly playing a game thinking they have me hooked after a long drive.
Knowing what price is reasonable vs what price is achievable below invoice when ordering early in the model year will help me make my decision. Thanks for any advice.
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I was told you can get it off the lot cheaper but you need to shop around the place I got mine from price match and it was not close as nice as the one I ended up getting I waited tell last day of the month and got over 6500 off and got 2000 more for my trade in
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I am by no means an expert, but I will share what I do know. I would not be afraid of buying at a distant dealership, as dealerships are required (an reimbursed) to keep you happy during warranty. I also would not be afraid of a 2016 at a lower price unless you 1) Plan to trade it in within five years -or- 2) There is something offered in a 2017 that you desperately want and is not offered in a 2016.
The order versus inventory is a complicated matter. A 2016 in inventory needs to go because it is going to get harder to unload. All vehicles in a dealers inventory are financed on a line of credit, and the dealership is paying monthly interest on each, so you might think that would encourage them to deal more on inventory vehicles. A special order, however, is a quick cash turnaround, and depending on the dealership (and their financial health) could make that appealing for a discount.
The only sure thing in discounting is that every dealership (that I am aware of) operates on sales bonuses. Some are monthly, all are quarterly, and even the owner is annual. The last day of those periods are desperate times for sales people, sales managers and general managers to hit their bonuses. They will stretch the most then. I got an outrageous deal on a Chevy Tahoe many years ago on December 31. You just have to be willing to walk away. Don't worry, they will still sell you a car the next day if you don't make a deal.
In my Jeep Cherokee I wanted the beige/black interior, and there weren't any with the cherry red exterior to be found. I also wanted the factory installed towing package, not an add-on kit. That is why I ordered mine. The bottom line: you are spending over $30,000; get the vehicle you want, with the features you want, and don't stress over a couple thousand dollars. It isn't really important in the long haul. Good Luck!
The order versus inventory is a complicated matter. A 2016 in inventory needs to go because it is going to get harder to unload. All vehicles in a dealers inventory are financed on a line of credit, and the dealership is paying monthly interest on each, so you might think that would encourage them to deal more on inventory vehicles. A special order, however, is a quick cash turnaround, and depending on the dealership (and their financial health) could make that appealing for a discount.
The only sure thing in discounting is that every dealership (that I am aware of) operates on sales bonuses. Some are monthly, all are quarterly, and even the owner is annual. The last day of those periods are desperate times for sales people, sales managers and general managers to hit their bonuses. They will stretch the most then. I got an outrageous deal on a Chevy Tahoe many years ago on December 31. You just have to be willing to walk away. Don't worry, they will still sell you a car the next day if you don't make a deal.
In my Jeep Cherokee I wanted the beige/black interior, and there weren't any with the cherry red exterior to be found. I also wanted the factory installed towing package, not an add-on kit. That is why I ordered mine. The bottom line: you are spending over $30,000; get the vehicle you want, with the features you want, and don't stress over a couple thousand dollars. It isn't really important in the long haul. Good Luck!
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After much deliberation over color, I ordered a 2017 Trailhawk today. Bright White and Black interior with Black wheels.
3.2L
L Plus Group
Tow Group
SafetyTec
Technology Group
42,185 MSRP
40,544 invoice
Paying Friends and Family pricing, 1% below invoice. They wouldn't budge beyond that, but they agreed to a trade value that's beat three others by an amount that would equal a good chunk of holdback taken off the price.
Current rebate of 2,250 is protected by it being a sold order. As long as my trade in doesn't drop much, I will drive off in my Cherokee with a check for at least a grand.
Light Brownstone with black or brown interior was really beating white the last few weeks, but my favorite color won out in the end.
Phooey on all those 2016s that had NAV and the sunroof I have no use for.
Now the wait begins.
3.2L
L Plus Group
Tow Group
SafetyTec
Technology Group
42,185 MSRP
40,544 invoice
Paying Friends and Family pricing, 1% below invoice. They wouldn't budge beyond that, but they agreed to a trade value that's beat three others by an amount that would equal a good chunk of holdback taken off the price.
Current rebate of 2,250 is protected by it being a sold order. As long as my trade in doesn't drop much, I will drive off in my Cherokee with a check for at least a grand.
Light Brownstone with black or brown interior was really beating white the last few weeks, but my favorite color won out in the end.
Phooey on all those 2016s that had NAV and the sunroof I have no use for.
Now the wait begins.
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Congrats on the new order and, NAV and sunroof are cool >
!!! But, really congrats!!
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Thank you! Both of those went up in price for 2017! NAV was tempting I'd admit.Congrats on the new order and, NAV and sunroof are cool >
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Didn't do a custom order, but the dealer located a vehicle for me, and I signed the purchase order yesterday. Not sure where it's coming from, but they think it'll arrive later this week.
Waiting on a couple more details to finalize, but should pick it up this week or next.
Waiting on a couple more details to finalize, but should pick it up this week or next.
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It has only been 3 years since the last post and there are no further ideas.
I have the same question and have never gotten an answer.
Since the new owner's name is on the Monrony sticker I suspect the people on the assembly line now the "build" is for a real person.
Maybe the real people are motivated to actually do a better job.
The robots don't have a clue and don't care.
I can't imagine people running around to find the best transmission or any other part.
The parts come from somewhere and show up on the assembly line at exactly the right time.
I think we get whatever we get and don't get to choose.
The vehicle is built by some process that I will never understand.
What I have found is that there are grease pencil marks all over my 2014 V6 TH factory order, so the inspectors are obviously checking everything they are supposed to check.
Hopefully if they find a problem it will get fixed.
I was hoping for a survey of us Club members to try and figure out if factory orders are better than off the lot buys.
The dealer has a long checklist for Pre Delivery Inspection, I suspect it never happens.
It is up to the customer to do Quality Control inspection and let the dealer fix anything the customer finds.
Hopefully we can get this post going again.
I have the same question and have never gotten an answer.
Since the new owner's name is on the Monrony sticker I suspect the people on the assembly line now the "build" is for a real person.
Maybe the real people are motivated to actually do a better job.
The robots don't have a clue and don't care.
I can't imagine people running around to find the best transmission or any other part.
The parts come from somewhere and show up on the assembly line at exactly the right time.
I think we get whatever we get and don't get to choose.
The vehicle is built by some process that I will never understand.
What I have found is that there are grease pencil marks all over my 2014 V6 TH factory order, so the inspectors are obviously checking everything they are supposed to check.
Hopefully if they find a problem it will get fixed.
I was hoping for a survey of us Club members to try and figure out if factory orders are better than off the lot buys.
The dealer has a long checklist for Pre Delivery Inspection, I suspect it never happens.
It is up to the customer to do Quality Control inspection and let the dealer fix anything the customer finds.
Hopefully we can get this post going again.
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When the build is for a real person, as in a special order, there is no more and no less attention to detail. The vehicle rolls down the assembly line just like any other vehicle with the build sheet attached. To any assembly line worker, and robot, it's just another car to build according to the pre determined build sheet.
Nobody runs around looking for a better part. Parts aren't stored at the factory, but instead, usually built near by to be delivered and installed at the perfect time. Timing is everything!
Pretty much you do in fact get what you get. During the process there is quality control, and some fully built vehicles may be set aside to repair/replace obvious defects.
Again, I doubt that the quality is any different in special orders vs. off the lot vehicles. Again, each factory worker/robot has one job each to do, and that is their focus.
The dealers have a PDI - Pre Delivery Inspection that is performed, sometimes better than others, but performed none the less. A dealer can face serious penalties from the factory for not performing a PDI. It would be fraud to submit a completed PDI report and get paid for it without actually doing the work. It could also have legal implications as well, since it could affect safety.
Think of that final PDI being the final build of the vehicle. This is where the checklist may include tightening certain bolts, installing certain trim pieces, etc.
Ultimately, if a new owner has any mechanical ability, I'd always recommend giving a new vehicle a quick once over to see if anything seems out of place.
I hope this sheds some light.
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