[XJ99]

Well I am pretty sure that when the finished it would be at least double that in labor. I did make an appointment though as they need to order the parts but I doubt they will only charge $ 375.

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They screwed up and quoted me $320 before taxes. That's
what I paid. They didn't try to get more money out of me.
Then again, I just bought to brand new KL's from them
with in 2 months of each other! LOL

 

[chartle]

You are correct. Parts alone dealer quoted $ 620~.

.... . Parts guy told me that there is a plug in the rear that has power that they would use.

So confused right now.

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But they also have to run the brake controller cable. It sounds like this guy thinks they are installing a 4 pin harness that patches into the rear lights and uses the power line to actually power the trailer lights.

The 7 pin harness has to run all the trailer light wires to the front since they all have separate fuses.

 

[XJ99]

But they also have to run the brake controller cable. It sounds like this guy thinks they are installing a 4 pin harness that patches into the rear lights and uses the power line to actually power the trailer lights.

The 7 pin harness has to run all the trailer light wires to the front since they all have separate fuses.

Plus they need to flash the computer ($100) for the Jeep
to recognize the harness.. Not like the old days! LOL

 

[Jeepster1]

Well I am pretty sure that when the finished it would be at least double that in labor. I did make an appointment though as they need to order the parts but I doubt they will only charge $ 375.

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Yes, but 5 years down the road it will be a distant memory of what it cost.
But the Cherokee will still look great with a OEM set up for tow and you will have no regrets you did it right.
:smile::smile::smile:

 

[Jeepster1]

I've said this before in other threads : this KL towing capacity discussion keeps going because no one at FCA has - or wants to - put it to rest with clear information.

As far as I know, V6 2018 and 2019 THs and AD2s (no matter the trim) that don't ship with factory Trailer Tow Group, can tow 4500 lbs with the corerct hitch and wiring. Maybe 2017s too, I'm just not sure there. These THs and AD2s all have 3.517 final ratio, the coolers and a full size spare even without Trailer Tow Group. The big problem is that (correct me if I'm wrong) there is no mention of this anywhere, unless you do a VIN check on the Mopar site or with the Mopar app.

When you say yours was *prepped* (it obviously was), how did you notice this ? Build sheet ? Window sticker ? I'm just trying to piece this all together...

Yes, but I enjoy the tow threads almost as much as the oil threads.:wink:

After all the transmission threads have all but disappeared which eliminates a lot of the conversation.:wink::wink:

 

[chartle]

So what does this mean for the now $795 factory Towing Package?

Shouldn't it be less for those models that supposedly have some of the parts as part of other packages or already in the base model?

I seem to be missing something here.

Now that I think about it more would this be some sort of fraud? They are selling you parts in the package you may have already bought in the base configuration.

Note this is for the package from the factory not installed aftermarket by the dealer which is NOT selling you parts you already have just having to charge you 3 times more for installation because they are ripping out stuff laying down wire and putting them back in.

 

[XJ99]

^ Bottom line???? It's cheaper to get factory tow group when
you purchase the vehicle. I lucked out since they under quoted
me for the install, plus I made them throw in the parts during
negotiations..

 

[UN4GTBL]

You are correct. They use a templet and a Dremel to cut out the area, then add the insert, per my dealer when I checked in on it. So if the tech screws up they are on the hook for a new bumper cover right?:wink:

That's how the Mopar fog lights were for my Caliber. Fought with my selling dealer for 8 months to get them to replace the bumper after their techs cut it wrong.

 

[sb3251]

I had a difficult time finding the vehicle I wanted with tow package within the time frame I was looking. Once I learned the dealer install brought it to the same as factory tow, plus the TH had the cutouts already, made my search easier for the vehicle I wanted. I didn't want / wasn't going to do aftermarket so I knew I would have to pay more at dealer, I figured approx. $900. Turned out similar to @XJ99 whereas they misinterpreted the amount of work - "This was the first 2019 we did.". When I ordered the parts, the parts manager quoted me on service time (as service was closed when I ordered), said "I'm quoting you high, but to give you a ballpark." - and the service department held to that quote Used a 15% discount coupon from the owner's portal, that made the install total for hitch, harness, discount and installation including computer flash $15 cheaper than if ordered from factory! So, for me, it worked out ok

 

[JSBach1801]

Allow me to appeal to the collective knowledge of the forum and this thread.

I registered my vehicle at MOPAR.com and it supposedly shows the max towing that my vehicle is capable of. See attachment 1.

I have a 2019 Latitude with the 3.2L V-6 and AD1. I know that structurally, there isn't a problem with pulling more wight. It is a mostly a heating issue. So can you tell me what exactly I am missing in order to be able to tow more? Attachment 2 is an except from my build sheet. I do have the auxiliary transmission oil cooler installed. My gearing is only 3.251 and I don't see that I have the dual fan cooler for the radiator. Would those be the only two things keeping me down at 2,000 lbs?

 

[XJ99]

^

As far as I know...

1- Auxiliary Transmission Oil Cooler
2- Heavy Duty Engine Cooling.
3- 3.517 Final Drive Ratio.
4- Trailer Sway Damping
5- Engine Oil Cooler

 

[JSBach1801]

^

As far as I know...

1- Auxiliary Transmission Oil Cooler
2- Heavy Duty Engine Cooling.
3- 3.517 Final Drive Ratio.
4- Trailer Sway Damping
5- Engine Oil Cooler

According to my build sheet I have:

Auxiliary Transmission Oil Cooler
Engine Oil Cooler
Trailer Sway Damping

So I do not have the Heavy Duty Engine Cooling or the correct gear ratio.

Oh well, not a huge negative for me. I think 2,000 lbs should handle all my needs.

Another question, I have heard that the 2,000 includes not only the trailer and load, but everything inside the Cherokee as well including passengers and luggage. Is that correct?

 

[XJ99]

According to my build sheet I have:

Auxiliary Transmission Oil Cooler
Engine Oil Cooler
Trailer Sway Damping

So I do not have the Heavy Duty Engine Cooling or the correct gear ratio.

Oh well, not a huge negative for me. I think 2,000 lbs should handle all my needs.

Another question, I have heard that the 2,000 includes not only the trailer and load, but everything inside the Cherokee as well including passengers and luggage. Is that correct?

Includes tongue weight, so anything in the hatch would
weigh it down. Tongue weight is 200 pounds.

 

[chartle]

Another question, I have heard that the 2,000 includes not only the trailer and load, but everything inside the Cherokee as well including passengers and luggage. Is that correct?

Everything in the Jeep and the tongue weight applies to your payload which is around 1,000.

 

[JSBach1801]

Includes tongue weight, so anything in the hatch would
weigh it down. Tongue weight is 200 pounds.

I guess I don't understand how tongue weight factors into the maximum towing capacity. Tongue weight is the downward force from the trailer's tongue onto the hitch? The less this value is, the easier it is to control the trailer (less sway). But I don't understand how that number factors into the amount of weight the vehicle can move forward.

For example, if I had a trailer that weighs 800 lbs, plus 400 lbs of people in the front row, 100 lbs of gear in the cargo area, and 600 lbs of cargo on the trailer, for a total of 1900 lbs, then I should still be 100 lbs shy of the 2000 lbs limit.

Or am I all wrong?

 

[chartle]

I guess I don't understand how tongue weight factors into the maximum towing capacity. Tongue weight is the downward force from the trailer's tongue onto the hitch? The less this value is, the easier it is to control the trailer (less sway). But I don't understand how that number factors into the amount of weight the vehicle can move forward.

For example, if I had a trailer that weighs 800 lbs, plus 400 lbs of people in the front row, 100 lbs of gear in the cargo area, and 600 lbs of cargo on the trailer, for a total of 1900 lbs, then I should still be 100 lbs shy of the 2000 lbs limit.

Or am I all wrong?

Your tongue weight should be 10% of the trailer's weight. Your 2,000 lbs spec is only the weight of the trailer and anything in it, aka the total weight. That weight is 800 lbs of trailer and 600 lbs of cargo so you are pulling 1,400 lbs.

The 400 lbs of people and 100 lbs of cargo and the tongue weight 140 (10% of 1,400) equals 640 lbs which is under the 1,000 lbs of cargo you can carry in the Jeep.

In the above scenario you can load 600 lbs more in the trailer and 300 lbs more in the Jeep (I think I allowed for the extra 60 lbs of tongue weight )

I've come across this thought that stuff in the Jeep counts against the tow spec. I even found a confusing and/or just plain wrong webpage from Camping World that claims this.

There is one other spec and thats your overall carry weight which is everything moving down the road. I've never seen a published spec but based on the weight of the Jeep and the weight you can tow it 10,000 lbs.

 

[JSBach1801]

Your tongue weight should be 10% of the trailer's weight. Your 2,000 lbs spec is only the weight of the trailer and anything in it, aka the total weight. That weight is 800 lbs of trailer and 600 lbs of cargo so you are pulling 1,400 lbs.

The 400 lbs of people and 100 lbs of cargo and the tongue weight 140 (10% of 1,400) equals 640 lbs which is under the 1,000 lbs of cargo you can carry in the Jeep.

In the above scenario you can load 600 lbs more in the trailer and 300 lbs more in the Jeep (I think I allowed for the extra 60 lbs of tongue weight )

I've come across this thought that stuff in the Jeep counts against the tow spec. I even found a confusing and/or just plain wrong webpage from Camping World that claims this.

There is one other spec and thats your overall carry weight which is everything moving down the road. I've never seen a published spec but based on the weight of the Jeep and the weight you can tow it 10,000 lbs.

That was a great explanation! Thank you. It also paints a better picture than I had imagined since the cargo carry weight of 1000 lbs is not part of the tow carry weight of 2000 other than the tongue weight factor. That will more than suffice for my needs. Much appreciated!

 

[Rojhan]

I guess I don't understand how tongue weight factors into the maximum towing capacity. Tongue weight is the downward force from the trailer's tongue onto the hitch? The less this value is, the easier it is to control the trailer (less sway).

Actually, the less tongue weight, the MORE likely you are to sway. If you go to negative tongue weight (possible) you actually reduce the weight on the rear tires and affect RWD traction. Too much, and you lift the front end which reduces the ability to steer (and, for FWD, less traction). 10-15% of gross trailer weight is the generally accepted range for tongue weight.

The balance is somewhere in-between that works best for your particular vehicle/trailer combination, adjusting to control the above.

Other questions on weight have been answered in other posts.

 

[Critter79]

I was given a quote at a dealership of $1040 hitch+wiring installed on my 2019 TH; $563 for hitch and wiring, the rest for the install, plus tax. Seems a bit high to me...trying to shop around on it. but if it includes a $100 ECM flash, then about $370 for install sounds like what others were quoted.

Whole cost still seems pretty high to me, though not having the tools, space or time to do the install is what you pay for I suppose.

 

[Rand]

Since this was bumped just let me say


I had the trailer hitch and wiring added after purchase and FCA says 4000lb tow rating..


so consider this another "Tow Prepped" 2019 of course I have the 2.0 trailhawk.. so thats more clear than
the lack of info surrounding a FWD or AD I.


IIRC the dealer cost to install would have been around $600 but I negotiated a discount into the sale.