[Goaliemo]

Purchased a Mopar battery for my 16 V6 about a year ago.
Well yesterday started getting random messages on the dash. Obviously first thing I checked is the battery. It was weak. 457cca.
Charged it. No issues.
Now, I did put an OEM battery in it last year. Maybe a year and a half ago. But here's my thing, yes I can warranty it.
But I don't want to have to do this every year (girlfriend drives the car).
We don't use the stop/start. I disconnected the hood switch to disable it.

Do I really need to put an AGM back in if I'm not using ESS? No. Not really.

What are my upgrade(?) Options? Maybe it's a down grade. Don't care. I just want a battery that's going to last.

If I have to modify the battery tray to make a larger one for, that's fine. If I need to relocate it, that's fine.

I just need this thing to be reliable. There's a reason I over maintain it.

 

[Flybynightcru]

Do I really need to put an AGM back in if I'm not using ESS? No. Not really.

Yes, you do!!! You've been around here long enough to know the battery drill, and the problems associated with low voltage, and irregularities on these things. You need at least a standard 94R AGM. You've obviously already tried at least a couple of those, right??? A good premium thin plate, dual purpose AGM is your other option, which many of us run. They ain't cheap, but it's one of those " pay me now, or pay me later" things. I prefer to have the biggest, baddest battery money can buy, just for the added reliability and peace of mind. I don't want to buy a new battery every year or two, so I run one if these, and have zero battery issues. 4yr free replacement warranty (I bought mine when it was 5yr)...😉😎
https://www.batteriesplus.com/product-details/auto_light-truck/battery/x2power/sli94ragmdp

 

[Goaliemo]

Yes, you do!!! You've been around here long enough to know the battery drill, and the problems associated with low voltage, and irregularities on these things. You need at least a standard 94R AGM. You've obviously already tried at least a couple of those, right??? A good premium thin plate, dual purpose AGM is your other option, which many of us run. They ain't cheap, but it's one of those " pay me now, or pay me later" things. I prefer to have the biggest, baddest battery money can buy, just for the added reliability and peace of mind. I don't want to buy a new battery every year or two, so I run one if these, and have zero battery issues. 4yr free replacement warranty (I bought mine when it was 5yr)...😉😎
https://www.batteriesplus.com/product-details/auto_light-truck/battery/x2power/sli94ragmdp

Yes, yes I have been. I do know better. Especially being a Chrysler tech. This post was completely out of frustration. And I've done some digging now. I just read through the 27f thread also.
That x2 looks like a really good option that I'm going to do some more reading on.
Thanks man! I've chilled out some now that I had some more coffee. Lmao

 

[Flybynightcru]

Yes, yes I have been. I do know better. Especially being a Chrysler tech. This post was completely out of frustration. And I've done some digging now. I just read through the 27f thread also.
That x2 looks like a really good option that I'm going to do some more reading on.
Thanks man! I've chilled out some now that I had some more coffee. Lmao

Odyssey also has their version as well, and it's very close to the same specs as the X2, but more money. X2 Power is made by Odyssey, and I would bet they're the same battery in a different suit...😎

 

[Flybynightcru]

Odyssey has their "Performance" which does come in a 94R. The specs are a hair under the X2 Power, and they have the "Extreme" that doesn't come in a 94R, but does come in a 27F, which correct me if I'm wrong @Mark_ will fit, though it's a little taller I think. The specs are bit better than the X2 Power, but it's also like $450...😎

 

[Lindy]

I just need this thing to be reliable. There's a reason I over maintain it.

If you over maintain it, I would recommend doing the same thing with the battery. Use a battery maintainer on it once in a while and certainly do so if the vehicle sits for extended periods or is driven short distances on a regular basis.

In four months I will hit the 5 year mark on my original battery and it still passes battery load tests with flying colors. I credit that longevity to my regular use of a $30 dollar battery maintainer when the Jeep sits for more than a few days at a time...

 

[Mark_]

Ok... there are quite a few things to discuss here... :

1) What are those random messages you are getting ?
2) Did you get the AGM Mopar replacement battery ? (guessing yes, but needed to ask).
3) 457 CCA : was that from the GR8 dealership machine ? Auto parts tester, or perhaps your own ?
4) One year is wayyyy under what it should have given you. Do you know of any excessive parasitic drain ? Live connected webcam or audio amplifier perhaps ?
5) While you don't 'absolutely need' an AGM if you never use ESS, you'd be hard pressed to find a 'good' flooded 94R, and one that is significantly cheaper than a standard lead-calcium AGM. The Mopar one is overpriced, the exact same battery is found at Sam's Club and Walmart for $170 (94R/H7 AGM by Johnson Controls).
6) If you read the Northstar 27F threads, you may have noticed that I have one. Yes I do, and I love it, and it requires a bit of tinkering to fit. But from your perspective and skill level, it would be an easy install for you, no major mods needed.

27F AGMs are not all alike. The very best one is the Northstar Pro (grey case), along with its clone the X2 Power 27F. Odyssey has one but it's from their Performance line, not Extreme, so its specs are really close to their 94R, so much so that I wouldn't bother. Same with the Optima 27F, its specs are disappointing. At 67 lbs, you know the Northstar/X2 Power 27Fs are lead-heavy monsters.

Bit I worry you have a problem, causing your batteries to die so early. Is this Mopar the first replacement battery in the 2016 ? If so, maybe it is defective...

 

[Flybynightcru]

Ok... there are quite a few things to discuss here... :

1) What are those random messages you are getting ?
2) Did you get the AGM Mopar replacement battery ? (guessing yes, but needed to ask).
3) 457 CCA : was that from the GR8 dealership machine ? Auto parts tester, or perhaps your own ?
4) One year is wayyyy under what it should have given you. Do you know of any excessive parasitic drain ? Live connected webcam or audio amplifier perhaps ?
5) While you don't 'absolutely need' an AGM if you never use ESS, you'd be hard pressed to find a 'good' flooded 94R, and one that is significantly cheaper than a standard lead-calcium AGM. The Mopar one is overpriced, the exact same battery is found at Sam's Club and Walmart for $170 (94R/H7 AGM by Johnson Controls).
6) If you read the Northstar 27F threads, you may have noticed that I have one. Yes I do, and I love it, and it requires a bit of tinkering to fit. But from your perspective and skill level, it would be an easy install for you, no major mods needed.

27F AGMs are not all alike. The very best one is the Northstar Pro (grey case), along with its clone the X2 Power 27F. Odyssey has one but it's from their Performance line, not Extreme, so its specs are really close to their 94R, so much so that I wouldn't bother. Same with the Optima 27F, its specs are disappointing. At 67 lbs, you know the Northstar/X2 Power 27Fs are lead-heavy monsters.

Bit I worry you have a problem, causing your batteries to die so early. Is this Mopar the first replacement battery in the 2016 ? If so, maybe it is defective...

Here's the Odyssey Extreme 27F Mark...😎
ODYSSEY® Battery - Official Manufacturer's Site

 

[Mark_]

Here's the Odyssey Extreme 27F Mark...😎
ODYSSEY® Battery - Official Manufacturer's Site

Right you are... Google didn't show it to me so I assumed. Oppsy..

Yep, that 27F Extreme has just about the same specs as the Northstar/X2 Power 27Fs. Including weight at 67.9 lbs.. Matter of fact, looking at the case, it is the Northstar Pro.

 

[Flybynightcru]

Right you are... Google didn't show it to me so I assumed. Oppsy..

Yep, that 27F Extreme has just about the same specs as the Northstar/X2 Power 27Fs. Including weight at 67.9 lbs..

Ya, and $468!!! The X2 Power is $100 and change less money...😳🤔😎

 

[Mark_]

Pictures for comparison :

Northstar :

X2 Power :

Odyssey :

Edit to add : I do see one small difference : the X2 Power has two small bottom lips at the sides, which the other 2 don't have. My guess is the X2 Power pictured is the most recent one, with a possible update to the case structure. One thing is for sure : those 3 are all from the same company (EnerSys).

 

[Flybynightcru]

Pictures for comparison :

Northstar :

X2 Power :

Odyssey :

Edit to add : I do see one small difference : the X2 Power has two small bottom lips at the sides, which the other 2 don't have. My guess is the X2 Power pictured is the most recent one, with a possible update to the case structure. One thing is for sure : those 3 are all from the same company (EnerSys).

Same batteries, different suits...LOL!!!😉😎

 

[Mark_]

Oh no... spotted a big booboo in one picture : the Northstar pictured is a 27, not a 27F, even if the label says 27F. Why ? Anyone ?

 

[johonn]

Oh no... spotted a big booboo in one picture : the Northstar pictured is a 27, not a 27F, even if the label says 27F. Why ? Anyone ?

Do you fire the person that edited the picture because they did not get a real 27F or because they forgot to switch the "-" and "+' when they photo shopped the 27.

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[Mark_]

Do you fire the person that edited the picture because they did not get a real 27F or because they forgot to switch the "-" and "+' when they photo shopped the 27.

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And it's from the Northstar website, no less :

NSB-AGM27F

www.northstarbattery.com

Why would you Photoshop a battery pic, right ? Just take a dang picture of it and use it... I know mine has the + on the right side, haha...

Fun fact : group 27 batteries come in 3 variations : 27, 27F and 27M. Posts make the difference.
27 has + lower left, 27F has it lower right, and 27M (for 'marine') has the 27's SAE posts plus threaded studs for marine accessories.

 

[Flybynightcru]

And then, there's this guy...😁😎

 

[Mark_]

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And then, there's this guy...😁😎

Yeah but... black is negative right ? Should work ? 😬

 

[MikeR.]

I wanted to add one thing to the conversation on the "do I need an agm battery?". While you don't use the ESS (therefore you won't have the drain and rapid recharge), you still have a much larger starter then would be required for a vehicle without ESS. Therefore, a greater amp draw upon startup. This is most likely why you don't see the battery lasting much longer even when not using stop/start. Heat does play into it, but if it was only a heat issue, the early models that didn't have ESS should be dying just as fast, and they tend to last longer, even with traditional lead acid. Not saying this is fact, but just more of an observation. The larger spike might also contribute to the electrical issues on startup.

 

[Goaliemo]

Ok... there are quite a few things to discuss here... :

1) What are those random messages you are getting ?
Got a service shifter, with all abs/traction/brake lights
The a service EPB again with all other lights
2) Did you get the AGM Mopar replacement battery (guessing yes, but needed to ask).
yes. I specifically bought a Mopar because I worked for yota at the time, and got a discount at the CDJR dealer next to that shop. It had a O'Reilley's battery in it when we bought it used about 2 years ago.
3) 457 CCA : was that from the GR8 dealership machine ? Auto parts tester, or perhaps your own ?
That was my tester. Gr8 was tied up when she brought the car to me yesterday at work. I put it on my charger and we went to lunch. I did put it on the pod. Had a few random loss of com codes stored. But it was just a circle. I didn't completely rule out a possible module failure. But when I saw the weak battery, I wanted to start with that.
4) One year is wayyyy under what it should have given you. Do you know of any excessive parasitic drain ? Live connected webcam or audio amplifier perhaps ?
I think it's a result of the car just being used around town for short distances. It probably just needed a charge. The car is driven everyday, but never really more than 10 miles round trip at a time
5) While you don't 'absolutely need' an AGM if you never use ESS, you'd be hard pressed to find a 'good' flooded 94R, and one that is significantly cheaper than a standard lead-calcium AGM. The Mopar one is overpriced, the exact same battery is found at Sam's Club and Walmart for $170 (94R/H7 AGM by Johnson Controls).
6) If you read the Northstar 27F threads, you may have noticed that I have one. Yes I do, and I love it, and it requires a bit of tinkering to fit. But from your perspective and skill level, it would be an easy install for you, no major mods needed.
I did read it. Twice. And I don't mind modifying something to be superior from stock. And to make clear, jeep is 100% factory stock.


27F AGMs are not all alike. The very best one is the Northstar Pro (grey case), along with its clone the X2 Power 27F. Odyssey has one but it's from their Performance line, not Extreme, so its specs are really close to their 94R, so much so that I wouldn't bother. Same with the Optima 27F, its specs are disappointing. At 67 lbs, you know the Northstar/X2 Power 27Fs are lead-heavy monsters.

Bit I worry you have a problem, causing your batteries to die so early. Is this Mopar the first replacement battery in the 2016 ? If so, maybe it is defective...

 

[Goaliemo]

And guys, another note, I live in east Texas. So summers are hot. This year has been weird weather wise. 70 one day and 35 the next. I'm sure that is also a factor with it. I know drastic drops can kill weak batteries. I may just need to make it a habit to at least once a week take this thing on the interstate to get everything up to temp properly and charged.