[Dan Burby]

I'm glad it got work out. Mine is a 2021 and I agree, the headlights are great. So far zero oil usage at 1,100km+. Oil is very clean (I check at each fill-up), engine is starting to feel smoother and stronger as the wear-in moves along. I really like my Cherokee so far. I look forward to trying it in the snow.

My 2020 is great in the snow, but loose the stock tires while you can still get something for them?! Also as for oil usage? I know this may be over kill but I changed all my fluids to Amsoil after the first 3000 miles, and I now have 20,000 on it still with Amsoil and no fluid issues. Happy Jeeping 😃

 

[Khan Adda]

Well with all the negativity around here lately, any visitor to our forum will think our Cherokees are the biggest POS's on the planet. This is very alarming, and unfortunate. I hear this constantly from people that I've pointed our way who are interested in a KL. Truth is, every modern vehicle, from every manufacturer on the planet, all have their own issues. The days of a decade of ownership, and 250,000 miles of trouble free operations are a thing of the past. Too many systems, all constantly trying to communicate with each other, and little to no backup systems when there's a problem with one. It is what it is!!!😎

There were never days of 250,000 miles of trouble free operations. In fact, in the older cars (My first car was a 1973 beater) the odometers only went up to 99,000 before rolling back to zero. That said, I just met a guy who has a 2015 KL Trailhawk with a 2-inch lift and 32-inch tires who has 250,000 kilometers on it (I know that kilometers are different than miles, but still).

Not sure why everyone compares the Bronco Sport to the Cherokee, the direct competitor is the Compass/Renegade and from an offroad perspective the Bronco Sport is doing much better than the Renegade and Compass, factor in a proper engine (2.0T) that you can't get in a Compass/Renegade it's obvious the Bronco is a decent vehicle, compared to a cherokee not so much If I wanted actual offroad capability the Cherokee is the easy choice

@Tyler-98-W68 Actually, the Bronco Sport Badlands is incredibly capable off road. I went out with my 4WD club last weekend and, of the 60 or so vehicles there, 3 of us that were full stock: my 2021 KL TH, another 2021 KL TH and a Bronco Sport Badlands. We wound up grouping together, with the BS bringing up the rear, and I was amazed at how the BS could go anywhere that the KL Trailhawks could go (even where I had to engage the rear lockers to make some climbs) with seeming ease. The BS is an impressive vehicle. That said, for my purposes, I'm glad I got the KL TH over the BS BL for two reasons: Comprehensive skid-plate protection and 4-low. The BS seems very capable , with near identical ride height and great suspension (though I don't know how often he bashed his undercarriage). But with no 4-low, and with limited protection underneath, it's a no-go for what I want to do off-road.

I agree with others that I don't like that there is so much bashing of the KL because I almost didn't get my KL because of it. The only reason I turned to the KL TH is because my BS BL order was cancelled after 2 months of waiting. But from my experience so far (I only have 4,200km on mine) the KL bashing is highly unwarranted. The off-road capabilities of the KL TH are amazing and I've been surprised at where I've been able to go with its stock configuration.

I think both the KL TH and the BS BL are great vehicles, depending on what you want to use them for. In my opinion: If your destination is a remote camping spot over rough road, the BS will likely get you there (and I sure would love its turning radius of the KL TH). If your destination IS the rough road, the Cherokee is the better choice if only for the 4-low, though the value of the bash plates cannot be understated. No need to bash either vehicle because both serve a purpose and both are great for what they're built for depending on one's needs. You just need to know what you want to use it for before deciding.

I'm now grateful that my BS BL order was cancelled and that I opted to at least consider the KL TH instead of allowing all the KL bashing to completely close my mind. My 2021 KL TH has really grown on me and I'm quite happy with it.

 

[Khan Adda]

My 2020 is great in the snow, but loose the stock tires while you can still get something for them?! Also as for oil usage? I know this may be over kill but I changed all my fluids to Amsoil after the first 3000 miles, and I now have 20,000 on it still with Amsoil and no fluid issues. Happy Jeeping 😃

I'm looking forward to trying mine out in the snow. I'll be putting on Hakkapeliitta R3's for the winter (had the R2's on my Subaru and they were amazing in the snow). I'm thinking of a 2-inch lift so I'm considering a bigger tire for next summer.
I'll have to do some research on what size and brand to do go with.

Though it's apparently unnecessary, I also went with an early first oil change. Just did mine this week at 4,200km (about 3,000km). I went with the stock oil for the first change to allow for any further wear-in that may occur up to 10,000km. Next change will be to synthetic. Haven't decided what oil I'm going to use yet - I'm thinking Penzoil since that's who Jeep is in bed with at the moment. Anyone use Mobil 1 Synthetic, or have other recommended Synthetic for the 3.2 Pentestar?

Happy Jeeping to you too.

 

[SpeedtekTH]

My 2020 is great in the snow, but loose the stock tires while you can still get something for them?! Also as for oil usage? I know this may be over kill but I changed all my fluids to Amsoil after the first 3000 miles, and I now have 20,000 on it still with Amsoil and no fluid issues. Happy Jeeping 😃

I 2nd the sentiment...I dumped my stock tires the first two months I owned the 2019, having already experienced the full glory of the Firestone's on my 2015 for a year. Just ordered a set of Hercules Terra Trac AT X-Venuture's to replace the Sumitomo's (which were decent in the snow), which I will actually be receiving today. (TPMS rated of course)

There were never days of 250,000 miles of trouble free operations. In fact, in the older cars (My first car was a 1973 beater) the odometers only went up to 99,000 before rolling back to zero. That said, I just met a guy who has a 2015 KL Trailhawk with a 2-inch lift and 32-inch tires who has 250,000 kilometers on it (I know that kilometers are different than miles, but still).

Just turned over 60,000 trouble free kms on my 2019, is probably one of the first vehicles in my life that I haven't gotten bored of and traded in or sold within 2 years...(I've had a LOT of vehicles...lol)

 

[Flybynightcru]

I went with the stock oil for the first change to allow for any further wear-in that may occur up to 10,000km. Next change will be to synthetic.

Isn't the stock oil full synthetic??? I know my 2.0T is. I've run the Pennzoil Platinum full synthetic since the first oil change, though I do run Mobil 1 in my Ford Coyote V8's...😎

 

[Lindy]

Isn't the stock oil full synthetic??? I know my 2.0T is. I've run the Pennzoil Platinum full synthetic since the first oil change, though I do run Mobil 1 in my Ford Coyote V8's...😎

Yes, I believe it is.

Whether we are talking about cars, motorcycles, snowmobiles, etc. the one motor oil myth that just won't die is the one stating that you need conventional oil for break-in purposes. The thing is, you don't, which is why manufacturers routinely have full syn oil in their vehicles when they come off the line.

I hope this doesn't turn into another oil thread..... 😲

 

[Flybynightcru]

Yes, I believe it is.

Whether we are talking about cars, motorcycles, snowmobiles, etc. the one motor oil myth that just won't die is the one stating that you need conventional oil for break-in purposes. The thing is, you don't, which is why manufacturers routinely have full syn oil in their vehicles when they come off the line.

I hope this doesn't turn into another oil thread..... 😲

Which, I'm pretty sure all of ours did...😎

 

[SpeedtekTH]

Yes, I believe it is.

Whether we are talking about cars, motorcycles, snowmobiles, etc. the one motor oil myth that just won't die is the one stating that you need conventional oil for break-in purposes. The thing is, you don't, which is why manufacturers routinely have full syn oil in their vehicles when they come off the line.

I hope this doesn't turn into another oil thread..... 😲

The other myth is babying the vehicle for the first 5K...BS...drive it like you stole it, the additional cylinder pressures help seat the rings better avoiding blow by in later years.

 

[Tyler-98-W68]

This also helps seat the rings

 

[SpeedtekTH]

yep

 

[Khan Adda]

Isn't the stock oil full synthetic??? I know my 2.0T is. I've run the Pennzoil Platinum full synthetic since the first oil change, though I do run Mobil 1 in my Ford Coyote V8's...😎

I asked specifically about synthetic when I went in for my first oil change this week and the service guy at my Jeep dealer looked it up and said that the 3.2 Pentastar does not get synthetic from the factory, or for standard oil changes, though I understand that the 2.0L does. Apparently the 3.2L gets some Shell brand of regular oil. Either way, it'll get Pennzoil Platinum synthetic next time around.