[AtlCade69]

I think that they aren't going so much for Jeep fans, but the old Bronco/Blazer fans that aren't into Jeeps. Esp. since GM doesn't have anything like it.

 

[Flybynightcru]

I think that they aren't going so much for Jeep fans, but the old Bronco/Blazer fans that aren't into Jeeps. Esp. since GM doesn't have anything like it.

Agreed...I mean, if you aren't spoiled like me, and don't mind dropping $60K for a very utilitarian interior, then ya, it's a great, expensive offroad toy I guess. I had much higher hopes for the cabin though. Maybe they'll come up with something. I'm keeping my Trailhawk, I've already got my offroad toy that cost entirely too much money, and it's way better than any Bronco or JL...LOL!!!😎

 

[SpeedtekTH]

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It's a cute pic, but it's complete BS when you think about it.
The original General Purpose vehicle as shown in that shot was probably built by Ford.
Willys and Ford shared production of the GPW 1/4 ton and there are only subtle differences between them. If anything it could be considered a common ancestor....
Willys didn't release an official "Jeep" until 1945 in the CJ-2A
As far as history of the Bronco is concerned, the bloated OJ Simpson model was a long way from the original concept.
The first Gen bronco ('65) was actually a pretty badass rig that didn't change much right up until '77

 

[Flybynightcru]

Willys and Ford shared production of the GPW 1/4 ton and there are only subtle differences between them.

Yep, and they both had 9 slot grills instead of 7...LOL!!!😎

 

[Flybynightcru]

It's a cute pic, but it's complete BS when you think about it.
The original General Purpose vehicle as shown in that shot was probably built by Ford.
Willys and Ford shared production of the GPW 1/4 ton and there are only subtle differences between them. If anything it could be considered a common ancestor....
Willys didn't release an official "Jeep" until 1945 in the CJ-2A
As far as history of the Bronco is concerned, the bloated OJ Simpson model was a long way from the original concept.
The first Gen bronco ('65) was actually a pretty badass rig that didn't change much right up until '77

Needs a 5.0 Coyote option too!!! That would perk my ears a bit more too. There's definitely plenty of room under the hood for one!!!😎

 

[130938]

It's a cute pic, but it's complete BS when you think about it.
The original General Purpose vehicle as shown in that shot was probably built by Ford.
Willys and Ford shared production of the GPW 1/4 ton and there are only subtle differences between them. If anything it could be considered a common ancestor....
Willys didn't release an official "Jeep" until 1945 in the CJ-2A
As far as history of the Bronco is concerned, the bloated OJ Simpson model was a long way from the original concept.
The first Gen bronco ('65) was actually a pretty badass rig that didn't change much right up until '77

I personally wouldn’t say “cute” but I would say “funny”. It wasn’t meant as anything more than a joke. Not a big fan of Broncos…or Ford, for that matter. Do like Jeep, though. 😎

 

[Flybynightcru]

I personally wouldn’t say “cute” but I would say “funny”. It wasn’t meant as anything more than a joke. Not a big fan of Broncos…or Ford, for that matter. Do like Jeep, though. 😎

I like Fords and Jeeps!!! I'm always up to the challenge on the track against any Hellcat or Demon, and so far I'm like 12 and 0, and doing it with almost 300hp less. Money talks, and we all know what walks!!!😎

 

[130938]

I like Fords and Jeeps!!! I'm always up to the challenge on the track against any Hellcat or Demon, and so far I'm like 12 and 0, and doing it with almost 300hp less. Money talks, and we all know what walks!!!😎 View attachment 214036

You have VERY deep pockets, my friend.

 

[Flybynightcru]

You have VERY deep pockets, my friend.

Not really, just old, and already raised my kids!!! That's a huge boost to the savings account!!! Keep working hard, and make wise choices, and decisions in life, and you'll be on the right track. I'm just a working man just like the rest of us. There's no Porsche GT3 RS parked in my garage, that would be deep pockets...LOL...😎

 

[j3r3myCs]

If you haven't, not much to bother with.....pretty much full hate-on for the Cherokee for some reason.

Apparently the interior is dated...not really sure if they've actually ever even been in one...lol
Seems a little Piers Morgan on Meghan Markle to me.........

"Plus, the angle of the wheel itself made us feel as if we were driving a bus." - do they not understand how the steering wheel is adjusted?

Take 'em out in the bush and do a full test, let's see who comes out on top......

Tested: 2021 Ford Bronco Sport vs. Jeep Cherokee vs. Mazda CX-5

Pitting the Bronco Sport against two bookends to see where it lands on the compact-SUV spectrum.

www.caranddriver.com

I know MotorTrend is a different ball game, and this was in 2014, but this is a good read. It entertained me.
2014 Jeep Cherokee Limited - Four Seasons Wrap-Up
I believe MotorTrend is still an advocate of the Cherokee as nothing really competes in terms of off road prowess.
I actually read that review not long ago, most of it is nonsense. It reminds me when I was in school and an essay’s due date was approaching and you just half do the whole assignment. I don’t think C&D had a horrible review for 2019, but every year they just seems to bash it more. I guess they have nothing better to do.

 

[Cabezone]

Car and Driver is written for road car enthusiasts. It's why they always have Mazda at the top of their rankings. Ride comfort isn't really a consideration for them.

 

[Khan Adda]

Well with all the negativity around here lately, any visitor to our forum will think our Cherokees are the biggest POS's on the planet. This is very alarming, and unfortunate. I hear this constantly from people that I've pointed our way who are interested in a KL. Truth is, every modern vehicle, from every manufacturer on the planet, all have their own issues. The days of a decade of ownership, and 250,000 miles of trouble free operations are a thing of the past. Too many systems, all constantly trying to communicate with each other, and little to no backup systems when there's a problem with one. It is what it is!!!😎

I agree with you about the negativity. I'm new here, having just bought my first Cherokee (KL) last week. I actually avoided even looking at a KL for the longest time because of all the negativity I've read about them. In fact, I was very interested in the Bronco Sport and even had one on order since the beginning of May until the order was cancelled a couple of weeks ago due to no more 2021 Bronco Sport Badlands with the Badlands package being built. But, while I was looking at everything I could find on the BS I kept coming across comparisons with the Cherokee (KL). Yes, there was a lot of negativity for the KL, but I couldn't help but notice just as much loyalty for it. So, with my next possible date for a BS now being in March of 2022 I took a deeper dive into the KL. One plus is that they are available NOW. So I went to a dealer to put eyes on, and butt in one. They had just the one I wanted in the colour I wanted: a white Trailhawk Elite with 3.2 v6. I've only had it a week but I've already had it on a rough logging road where 4-low made all the difference. After this experience I cannot imagine how the BS can be directly compared with the KL Trailhawk off pavement if there is any lengthy, loose-surfaced incline to go up and down. The drive train with no low gearing would have to work extremely hard on the BS on the way up, and the brakes would have to work very hard the way down. Not so with the KL. 4-low, manual shift, easy up with minimal effort, easy down with minimal brakes. That said, the BS may be a reasonable off-pavement competitor with the non-Trailhawk KL's, but certainly not the Trailhawk.

I would still consider the BS if it ever gets an option for 4-low and decent under-body protection - I like the 2.0L engine, the fuel economy and the larger cargo space. The KL is my first Jeep so, in the end, whether I get another oneit will depend on my experience with the one I have in the long run. It's still early, but I've enjoyed my KL Trailhawk so far. I'm at 900km+ as I write this. Going logging-road exploring tomorrow. It's still early in my experience, but I'm impressed so far. I'm hoping for a good snowfall this winter to check out the KL in the snow.

One question: Should I get dedicated snows with steelies for the winter, or am I good with the stock Firestone Destinations?

 

[Flybynightcru]

Welcome from Utah!!! Also I happened to catch, what I believe was your second post that was strangely removed. Not sure what the hell that was all about, as I saw nothing inappropriate about it. I've seen much worse. Congrats on the new Trailhawk. I personally find little, to no comparison between the KL and Bronco Sport, and the KL is FAR superior on and offroad IMHO, and I'm a Ford guy. I was thoroughly interested in the full size Bronco Badlands, until I actually got to see, and test drive one on the trail at this year's Moab Easter Jeep Safari. I found the quality, and value for the money extremely disappointing compared to my TH/E. About tires, I'm not sure what part of Canada you are in, but I think most of our Canadian friends do run dedicated winters, simply due to the extreme cold temperatures. I'm in Utah, and though we do get our share of snow, we don't have the extreme sub zero temperatures, and I've never deemed a winter tire necessary for here. There's a lot of information about the subject around here though, so just search around. I personally run Toyo Open Country A/T III's in 245/70/17's, and really love the them, both on, and offroad. I also have a 2" lift on mine. The stock Destinations were not a bad tire, but I wanted something a little more aggressive...😎

 

[SpeedtekTH]

Welcome from Utah!!! Also I happened to catch, what I believe was your second post that was strangely removed. Not sure what the hell that was all about, as I saw nothing inappropriate about it. I've seen much worse. Congrats on the new Trailhawk. I personally find little, to no comparison between the KL and Bronco Sport, and the KL is FAR superior on and offroad IMHO, and I'm a Ford guy. I was thoroughly interested in the full size Bronco Badlands, until I actually got to see, and test drive one on the trail at this year's Moab Easter Jeep Safari. I found the quality, and value for the money extremely disappointing compared to my TH/E. About tires, I'm not sure what part of Canada you are in, but I think most of our Canadian friends do run dedicated winters, simply due to the extreme cold temperatures. I'm in Utah, and though we do get our share of snow, we don't have the extreme sub zero temperatures, and I've never deemed a winter tire necessary for here. There's a lot of information about the subject around here though, so just search around. I personally run Toyo Open Country A/T III's in 245/70/17's, and really love the them, both on, and offroad. I also have a 2" lift on mine. The stock Destinations were not a bad tire, but I wanted something a little more aggressive...😎

I know several that just run all-weather A/T's (myself included). I've never had any issues in our lovely Saskatchewan winters (they can be brutal). There is a very good sampling of all the different brands and if you ask for an All-weather A/T tire recommendation you'll get at least 10 different answers...lol.
I believe the Falken A/T3W is one of the more popular choices in a P rated tire and the BFG KO2 is also popular, but is only available in a heavy LT version.
I'm running Sumitomo Encounter AT's which have been very good in our winters, but I'm fairly certain I'm the only one who's used them. They were a decent price locally (Kal Tire), reasonably quiet on the road, good in snow and ice, and after 2 years of use still have lots of tread.

 

[arudlang]

The first winter is usually fine on brand new tires, but for Canada I don't know for sure if you would slide by or not.

As far as the negativity goes I feel it's justified to be disappointed when you spend the crazy amount of money these things cost and they let some of us down, early and often. I do not accept that as the new normal.

 

[Khan Adda]

Welcome from Utah!!! Also I happened to catch, what I believe was your second post that was strangely removed. Not sure what the hell that was all about, as I saw nothing inappropriate about it. I've seen much worse. Congrats on the new Trailhawk. I personally find little, to no comparison between the KL and Bronco Sport, and the KL is FAR superior on and offroad IMHO, and I'm a Ford guy. I was thoroughly interested in the full size Bronco Badlands, until I actually got to see, and test drive one on the trail at this year's Moab Easter Jeep Safari. I found the quality, and value for the money extremely disappointing compared to my TH/E. About tires, I'm not sure what part of Canada you are in, but I think most of our Canadian friends do run dedicated winters, simply due to the extreme cold temperatures. I'm in Utah, and though we do get our share of snow, we don't have the extreme sub zero temperatures, and I've never deemed a winter tire necessary for here. There's a lot of information about the subject around here though, so just search around. I personally run Toyo Open Country A/T III's in 245/70/17's, and really love the them, both on, and offroad. I also have a 2" lift on mine. The stock Destinations were not a bad tire, but I wanted something a little more aggressive...😎

What the...? I'm new here but I read the rules and I'm pretty sure I didn't break any of them with that deleted post, so I don't get the censorship. Maybe the censor didn't read beyond the first couple of sentences and thought I was promoting the BS? Hopefully that kind of arbitrary censorship is not typical here.

Anyway, I appreciate your tire feedback. I'm in Vancouver BC. Doesn't get as cold as some of the rest of Canada, but we do have some cold winter days and I do head up into the mountains from time to time where it is much colder. I may consider the some dedicated winters - I like the Hakkapeliittas. I'll stick with the stock destinations for now for non-winter use.

I'd like to learn more about your lift as I'm considering doing the same. Any warranty or premature wear concerns?

 

[Khan Adda]

The first winter is usually fine on brand new tires, but for Canada I don't know for sure if you would slide by or not.

As far as the negativity goes I feel it's justified to be disappointed when you spend the crazy amount of money these things cost and they let some of us down, early and often. I do not accept that as the new normal.

I saw what you did there "if you would slide by or not".

I've heard that there are some really bad experiences with the Cherokee - that kind of experience based bashing is completely warranted and reasonable. I agree it shouldn't be a new normal on any vehicle. It's the other bashing by people who've spent an hour test driving on pavement, or who looked at something else and decided the Cherokee looks dated by comparison, or who drive a Bronco Sport Badlands and Cherokee Trailhawk down a packed gravel road then and call it a "Face-off", or complain how a 3.2L V6 is less economical than a 2.0L in a lighter, less equipped vehicle, or who make arbitrary statements like "You can adorn a bland crossover with all the off-road goodies you want, but capability isn't the same as character" without recognizing that off-road capability IS the character.

If you're one of those who's had a bad experience you've earned the right to bash, but I hope you're able to get things worked out.

 

[SpeedtekTH]

I saw what you did there "if you would slide by or not".

I've heard that there are some really bad experiences with the Cherokee - that kind of experience based bashing is completely warranted and reasonable. I agree it shouldn't be a new normal on any vehicle. It's the other bashing by people who've spent an hour test driving on pavement, or who looked at something else and decided the Cherokee looks dated by comparison, or who drive a Bronco Sport Badlands and Cherokee Trailhawk down a packed gravel road then and call it a "Face-off", or complain how a 3.2L V6 is less economical than a 2.0L in a lighter, less equipped vehicle, or who make arbitrary statements like "You can adorn a bland crossover with all the off-road goodies you want, but capability isn't the same as character" without recognizing that off-road capability IS the character.

If you're one of those who's had a bad experience you've earned the right to bash, but I hope you're able to get things worked out.

Pretty much.

I had a very negative experience with my first Trailhawk (2015 V6). It had oil usage issues and check engine lights like crazy for the first 8 months of ownership. Jeep stepped up and replaced the engine and everything was perfect after that (except the niggling A/C leak that had to recharged EVERY spring). I still loved my 2015 so much we traded in and bought a brand new 2019 shortly after they came out (V6 again, still love this motor). I didn't like the headlights on the previous models as they were just too dim at night...the new LED ones are amazing.

 

[Khan Adda]

Pretty much.

I had a very negative experience with my first Trailhawk (2015 V6). It had oil usage issues and check engine lights like crazy for the first 8 months of ownership. Jeep stepped up and replaced the engine and everything was perfect after that (except the niggling A/C leak that had to recharged EVERY spring). I still loved my 2015 so much we traded in and bought a brand new 2019 shortly after they came out (V6 again, still love this motor). I didn't like the headlights on the previous models as they were just too dim at night...the new LED ones are amazing.

I'm glad it got work out. Mine is a 2021 and I agree, the headlights are great. So far zero oil usage at 1,100km+. Oil is very clean (I check at each fill-up), engine is starting to feel smoother and stronger as the wear-in moves along. I really like my Cherokee so far. I look forward to trying it in the snow.

 

[Dan Burby]

If you haven't, not much to bother with.....pretty much full hate-on for the Cherokee for some reason.

Apparently the interior is dated...not really sure if they've actually ever even been in one...lol
Seems a little Piers Morgan on Meghan Markle to me.........

"Plus, the angle of the wheel itself made us feel as if we were driving a bus." - do they not understand how the steering wheel is adjusted?

Take 'em out in the bush and do a full test, let's see who comes out on top......

Tested: 2021 Ford Bronco Sport vs. Jeep Cherokee vs. Mazda CX-5

Pitting the Bronco Sport against two bookends to see where it lands on the compact-SUV spectrum.

www.caranddriver.com

Speedtek Th , true that! I own a 2020 TH and our Jeep club belongs to the bronco recovery team!😃😃Happy Jeeping 😃