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Hello Everyone!



As promised, here is the sale page for the recovery points I mentioned in my first post ~HERE~... These are not designed for Trailhawk models, as THs already have factory-installed hooks on the front. They were designed and tested with a 2015 Latitude, but they should fit the other models and years as well.



This recovery system uses steel to replace the aluminum "frame extensions" that are mounted to the frame below the bumper. (See Photo 1 Below) The product is designed to fit using existing bolt points in the frame, so NO drilling or other modifications to the frame of the vehicle are necessary. The purchaser will have to cut the honeycomb grille for the hooks to fit, and it will be up to the purchaser if they would like to contour-cut the grille to fit, or simply cut out the entire section as I did (See Photo 2).



The kit will come with two steel brackets, two hooks, and hardware to attach the hooks to the brackets. The brackets attach to the frame using the existing bolts that are currently holding the "frame extensions". The brackets will come painted black with black hooks. Custom colors or Chrome hooks may be available for a "slight nominal fee" :D

But Wait, Theres More!!! If you call (or PM me) now, instructions for bumper removal and kit attachment can be sent via email in PDF form if needed, AT NO COST!



Pricing is as follows:

Black Recovery Hook Kit, Continental US: $215 + Shipping

Black Recovery Hook Kit, outside cont. US: $215 + shipping

Custom hook colors or Chrome hooks, add $10












~More Pics of the Brackets and Mounting~



https://youtu.be/fUkbsHvKD34

https://youtu.be/h1IG0YPWBPY

https://youtu.be/qjN3Nu4Rn_E



Photo 1 ("Frame Extensions")





Photo 2 (Grille cutout)





**Disclaimer**

I have built and installed these on my personal vehicle, and tested them for occasional use in low-force recovery/pulling situations with good results. However, high-stress or sudden jerking on the kit should be avoided to prevent damage to the kit or vehicle! Use at your own risk, and use caution when using any recovery system.



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If you're interested, or have any questions, send me a PM and I'll respond as soon as possible.
 

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Real nice work!

Gotta say I might prefer the appearance of these over the TH ones. It kind of sends the message that "Yes, of course there are recovery hooks, dude. It is an off-roader after all." instead of "LOOK AT THESE HOOKS! WHADDYA THINK?!!!!!"

You know?
 

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Lol, yeah. No offence to THs or their owners, but I've thought the bright red hooks were a bit loud. I'd paint them black myself.
 

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Lol, yeah. No offence to THs or their owners, but I've thought the bright red hooks were a bit loud. I'd paint them black myself.

So - TH owner owner here and two things:
1 - I did paint mine black (car is red w/ black trim) but they a) faded out with dirt and bugs; and b) really got lost in the trim. I painted them back to a red color and it just looks like a more complete picture -- on the front, I think it has a bit to do with the shape of the TH nose.


2 - Question/observation - you mentioned testing these with pulling - but what about a front impact? If I understand the design of the TH hook mounting, ours will effectively break away rather than punching into something. I think that it is a bit less of a concern since you kept your tucked back a bit more (contrary to a couple of well meaning suggestions) but curious if you or anyone else had thoughts along those lines, other than buyer/installer making an informed choice?


Great job and best of luck selling these as there appeared to be pretty good demand!
 

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So - TH owner owner here and two things:
1 - I did paint mine black (car is red w/ black trim) but they a) faded out with dirt and bugs; and b) really got lost in the trim. I painted them back to a red color and it just looks like a more complete picture -- on the front, I think it has a bit to do with the shape of the TH nose.

2 - Question/observation - you mentioned testing these with pulling - but what about a front impact? If I understand the design of the TH hook mounting, ours will effectively break away rather than punching into something. I think that it is a bit less of a concern since you kept your tucked back a bit more (contrary to a couple of well meaning suggestions) but curious if you or anyone else had thoughts along those lines, other than buyer/installer making an informed choice?

Great job and best of luck selling these as there appeared to be pretty good demand!
Lol, Maybe "loud" isnt the word i wanted; "showy" would probably be better! I really like the look of the red hooks-on some colors. It does add a bit of definition and detail to the vehicle. Maybe i just have hook or TH envy!

As far as breakaway/crash safety... I have not had the opportunity to test the front impact with the brackets installed... However, if someone would be willing to loan me their KL, I would be glad to test out the design in a front impact. LOL, JK. :laugh:

That is seriously something I was looking at, as the original metal parts that I replaced were designed to crumple in a crash. The posts I use do not have any type of breakaway or crush-tech built in as I don't know how to do that without degrading their strength to a point where they will be useless. Therefore, in the event of a front-end crash, the brackets will likely do some punching into whatever they hit. With that being said, I do not think that it will be a major issue, or be capable of causing any life-threatening injury in an accident. The posts themselves are a little less than 8" long, and only about 3-4 inches of that is past sturdier parts of the car such as the radiator or bumper.

In the event of a head-on crash, the brackets may cause damage to the front end of the opposing car, but I think it will be negligible. In the event of a side-impact crash (T-Bone) with the KL hitting the side of another vehicle, once again, I do not think they will extend far enough to cause any appreciable harm more than what will be done by the overall accident.

On a side note, as far as distance the hook extends out from the bumper... I have been looking at the possibility of having the hook extend further if desired by a purchaser. I should be able to extend them another 1/2", but any further would not be possible with the hooks I used on mine.
 
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On the crash question, this is similar to base plates used by people towing their KL.
 

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So...side question. Can these have various attachments to the ends of the extension arms to hold/carry a bunch of accessories other than just tow hooks?
 

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That is always an option, the hooks could be removed and other attachments could be used. However, as far as I know, there is nothing designed to attach to a point like this. I am tossing around the idea/concept of a full-front brush guard that would possibly attach to these points, but have not gotten past the "concept-in-my-head" stage.

What did you have in mind?
 

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That is always an option, the hooks could be removed and other attachments could be used. However, as far as I know, there is nothing designed to attach to a point like this. I am tossing around the idea/concept of a full-front brush guard that would possibly attach to these points, but have not gotten past the "concept-in-my-head" stage.

What did you have in mind?
Any number of things...light bar mounting points, CB antenna mount, etc...all this stuff can be added while keeping the hook there too.
 

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There is already a brush guard for KL Cherokees.

I'm in, BTW. Gathering funds at the moment.
 

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Eh, kinda. If you're referring to the one I'm thinking about, it's more of a bull bar/push bumper than a brush guard. I'm looking for one that protects the whole front bumper though... just don't know if it would be feasible.
 

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Lol, Maybe "loud" isnt the word i wanted; "showy" would probably be better! I really like the look of the red hooks-on some colors. It does add a bit of definition and detail to the vehicle. Maybe i just have hook or TH envy!

As far as breakaway/crash safety... I have not had the opportunity to test the front impact with the brackets installed... However, if someone would be willing to loan me their KL, I would be glad to test out the design in a front impact. LOL, JK. :laugh:

That is seriously something I was looking at, as the original metal parts that I replaced were designed to crumple in a crash. The posts I use do not have any type of breakaway or crush-tech built in as I don't know how to do that without degrading their strength to a point where they will be useless. Therefore, in the event of a front-end crash, the brackets will likely do some punching into whatever they hit. With that being said, I do not think that it will be a major issue, or be capable of causing any life-threatening injury in an accident. The posts themselves are a little less than 8" long, and only about 3-4 inches of that is past sturdier parts of the car such as the radiator or bumper.

In the event of a head-on crash, the brackets may cause damage to the front end of the opposing car, but I think it will be negligible. In the event of a side-impact crash (T-Bone) with the KL hitting the side of another vehicle, once again, I do not think they will extend far enough to cause any appreciable harm more than what will be done by the overall accident.

On a side note, as far as distance the hook extends out from the bumper... I have been looking at the possibility of having the hook extend further if desired by a purchaser. I should be able to extend them another 1/2", but any further would not be possible with the hooks I used on mine.
omg we got in accident look what your tow hooks did to my vehicle..lmao.. umm its an accident there will be damage..some of those th owners ..lol. its a freakin vehicle.if i was going to spend 36 to 40 thousand on a vehicle it would not be a trailhawk..more like a lifted rubicon ....no offense to th owners...just my perspective and opinion..
 

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Parts on the Way!

For anyone who has already ordered a kit, I have placed an order with Fabrication to have a few of the kits made up. I have made a modification to the design in that I am using a thicker steel for the base plate and per suggestions, have added a spacer inside the post to strengthen it.

Once the kits get back to me, they will be painted and prepped for shipment. Let me know if anyone else is interested!
 

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omg we got in accident look what your tow hooks did to my vehicle..lmao.. umm its an accident there will be damage..some of those th owners ..lol. its a freakin vehicle.if i was going to spend 36 to 40 thousand on a vehicle it would not be a trailhawk..more like a lifted rubicon ....no offense to th owners...just my perspective and opinion..

While your position is amusing, it's clear you've spent more time mocking THs than learning about their parts. The front hook design/mount on a TH is set up so that it doesn't punch into something and either pushes in or breaks away; it's truly a one way for pulling only. The question was asked because this design won't do that and while remote, there is a chance this vehicle could now 'hook' another car and stay attached - making an accident much worse than it could have been. Accidents happen to any vehicle; but if an an aftermarket (or esp homemade) mod can be linked to making it worse, you just bought both packages, probably regardless of insurance. You might want to add the word liability to your perspective/opinion.
 

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For anyone who has already ordered a kit, I have placed an order with Fabrication to have a few of the kits made up. I have made a modification to the design in that I am using a thicker steel for the base plate and per suggestions, have added a spacer inside the post to strengthen it.

Once the kits get back to me, they will be painted and prepped for shipment. Let me know if anyone else is interested!
that means I get a discount for a positive note in the suggestion box, right :wink: jk

as previously indicated, i'm in, waiting on my check to come thru.
 
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that means I get a discount for a positive note in the suggestion box, right
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Lol, I should make you pay more for making more work for me! Ha ha, JK as well.

You're still gonna want them raw steel correct? No paint on the bracket? (The hooks come black from the source so I can't change that...)
 

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Lol, I should make you pay more for making more work for me! Ha ha, JK as well.

You're still gonna want them raw steel correct? No paint on the bracket? (The hooks come black from the source so I can't change that...)
That is correct, I will have them powder coated locally. I should have the funds Friday when my bonus money hits.
 

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The front hook design/mount on a TH is set up so that it doesn't punch into something and either pushes in or breaks away; it's truly a one way for pulling only. The question was asked because this design won't do that and while remote, there is a chance this vehicle could now 'hook' another car and stay attached - making an accident much worse than it could have been. Accidents happen to any vehicle; but if an an aftermarket (or esp homemade) mod can be linked to making it worse, you just bought both packages, probably regardless of insurance. You might want to add the word liability to your perspective/opinion.
Unfortunately, as you said, liability is possibly increased with any aftermarket additions to a vehicle. That risk is gonna be present on any type of modifications done to a vehicle, whether it be headlights, lift kits, bumpers, steel beams sticking out of the front, etc...

Hopefully everyone who makes any *ANY* modifications to their vehicle understands that they are assuming all risks and liabilities to both themselves and other vehicles and drivers that they may interact with.

And hopefully we never have to find out how these handle in a crash scenario!!!
 
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Lol, I should make you pay more for making more work for me! Ha ha, JK as well.

You're still gonna want them raw steel correct? No paint on the bracket? (The hooks come black from the source so I can't change that...)
That is correct, I will have them powder coated locally. I should have the funds Friday when my bonus money hits.
Ooh, bonus money!!! I'm honored that you're spending it on my tow hooks and not something like tires or lights! Ha ha ;)

Just PM me when you are ready and we will discuss price w/o paint. As mentioned before I can't take off too much cause I don't have much in the paint cost. Most is in the fabrication and hardware. (And now spacers... Lol)
 
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