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Looking to buy a wrangler, or cherokee trailhawk , 3.6 pentastar or 3.6 pentastar engine. Honest opinion are they good engines? can they be trusted? Will they last 200K miles? I don't care about anything else, but I don't want blown engines at 40K miles. Been in different forums, and some , like tesla are fanatics. I am seeking honest opinion about buying a wrangler or cherokee or grand cherokee. Year 2019 -2021

 

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The Cherokee is a 3.2L, minor typo.
The main complaint I have noticed in 7 years on this forum is that both engines are prone to cam follower failure.
Probably not prevalent enough to be a major concern.
The engine is the least of your worries, lots of other things can fail before the engine does.
The oil cooler housing can crack, lots of other things can go wrong.
I haven't figured out what the cam follower "deal" is but I use Amsoil Signature oil, change it often and my 2014 Cherokee TH at almost 100k miles is doing fine engine wise.
You need to figure out which vehicle fits your lifestyle and requirements, this is really a personal choice.
If you don't go off road you don't need a Wrangler even though they look "bad" at the Mall.
I do prefer the Cherokee TH suspension even around town, it takes speed bumps and pot holes more gracefully.
Unfortunately it seems to be a crap shoot, some of us are doing great, some of us have lemons.
I wiped the engine on my 1996 Oldsmobile on the skid pad in 100,040 miles, I have 180,000 miles on the new Crate engine, so anything is possible.
I have an unproved theory that doing a factory order results in a better ownership experience.
Don't buy anything off the lot, by my definition it is a used vehicle from just sitting around in the weather.
The most important thing is to find a competent, honest repair shop, for whatever you decide to buy.
These days some things can only be repaired by an authorized dealer, it seems to be a conspiracy.
Ok, that's my story.

great insight.
owner couple of cars in my past life..
where to repair a jeep? I don't like to take it to dealer, heck a local mechanic is wayyyyyy better...

 

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Wow.. seems this thing got people going.. test drove a Cherokee, and GC today. Liked both,
Cherokee says to give avg 21 mpg, GC will give 17 MPG (combined), so I might go with Cherokee.
Every car engine can fail..

 

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This. 👆

How many reports by different individuals on the internet forums are really posted with the rocker failure? 50? 100? 200? Does a couple hundred reports out of 10 million engines produced necessarily mean that the engine is prone to that problem? Yet people will see those posts and then confidently proclaim that it is a 'common' problem. In fact, it is those posts that will you will see many of, far, far more than posts from individuals who actually had the problem.

Forums like this can be very helpful, but trying to access a vehicles long term reliability or issue list by the forums alone will always skew heavily to the negative. It's not like 10s of thousands of people are going to show up on the forums to tell everyone how great their vehicle is treating them or how many miles they got on it before getting another one.

Would Jeep or any other manufacturer continue making millions of engines which have a common problem of rocker failures before the engine even hits 100k? Planned obsolescence? Not exactly a good strategy when many of those owners have long term warranties is it?

I too would really like to see an accurate percentage of how many of those 10 million engines had the rocker issues. Or more data on the engine years affected.

Having said all that, I don't think any engine should ever require top end work before the 150 or 200k mark, so it is disappointing to hear of any reports of it. But what I question is how prevalent the issue is...

If I buy one, and it lasts 150K mile without work I am sold

 

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wanna create a vote.. any idea how i can create it?

 

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Maybe not a good idea. We already have a thread going about 3.2 vs 2.0T and... it's not pretty.

so based on that, guy told me two things
1. 2T oil change is more than v6.
2. 2T also need premium fuel than regular gas.
V6 he said been around for long . All the stalls that were happening happened on 2T , so he , as a salesman said to go with V6. Not a pushy guy..

 

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You guys been all over the place.. You guys even take a break lol

 

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So should I get a 3.2 or 2t?I want longevity and fun drive..or 3.6 for a GC..

 

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FYI I was skimming over the tundra and 4runner forums and new tundra and 4 runners seems to have some issues. Seems buying a car is more of luck than anything nowdays